[Spellyans] KK ha'n SWF - pronunciation

Eddie Climo eddie_climo at yahoo.co.uk
Sat Aug 9 18:01:17 BST 2008

> On 8/9/08, Michael Everson <everson at evertype.com> wrote:
>> In KS we do have an actual description of the phonology, using IPA.

On 9 Aug 2008, at 16:53, Harry Fraiser wrote:
> A closed book to most of us, I'm afraid!

But essential tools for discussing phonology are the standard  
notation systems used for transcribing sounds objectively.

You might as well try to participate in, say, a  Chemistry, Physics  
or Maths discussion group without any knowledge of those 'arcane  
formula squiggles', as 'Penny' might have put it, or of the  
underlying academic discipline.

> We really do need those authoritative sound recordings.

Without a trained ear, one would not be able to perceive the phonetic  
subtleties in such recordings. Even if one could, without a knowledge  
of phonetic notation and terminology, one could not communicate one's  
perceptions in an objective way to other people. Those 'authoritative  
sound recordings' would merely satisfy your solipsistic appetites,  
and add little nor nothing to this group's deliberations.

I'm a hands-on linguist of many years' experience, but in no way a  
trained phonologist. For me, what was useful was the sort of  
"ignoramus's guide" (if you'll pardon the phrase) offered by  
Wikipedia, such as:

.. . . and this one is of particular relevance, as X-SAMPA is often  
used on discussion fora like this one, since it needs no special (non- 

Eddie Foirbeis Climo
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Sawadow yu fowt skyans,
	mes talsogh yu rak nefra.
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