[Spellyans] Porth & Carfury - Some wild ideas

A. J. Trim ajtrim at msn.com
Fri Aug 8 00:55:36 IST 2008


Craig Weatherhill wrote:

 

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Well, here's something of interest.  Porth can be spelled por' or por'h 
under the SWF and, indeed, in local speech and place-names it often 
appears as Por- (including Par).  BUT there is no evidence whatsoever 
that the -th of Porth was ever voiced (i.e. Pordh), except for a single 
instance of Mousehole being shown as Pordhenes 1301.  None of the myriad 
other Porth- names show a -dh anywhere in history.  So, why did this happen?

"

 

Is pordhenes the same as porth dennis or porth dinas?

Was the harbour fortified, defended, sheltered by the cliffs?

Surely the island is too small for this to be porth enys. It is really just a rock. Was it larger in 1301?

 

"

Returning to Carfury, I'd welcome other thoughts than my own on this as 
to what the second element might be.  Here's a list of the recorded 
spellings:

Carnfuru, Carfuru 1327; Carfury 1380; Carffury 1457; Carfurie 1575; 
Carvery, Carfury 1607.

The first element is certainly carn, rather than car, "fort, round" - 
there is neither record nor hint of any earthwork in the immediate 
neighbourhood, but there is a rock outcrop, now well quarried out, 
leaving an extremely attractive pool.  But what (other than furow, is 
the second element.

"

 

Please excuse my brainstorming:

How about a misreading or misspelling for carn fugu?

(or perhaps the <r> was guttural in 1327)

Did it have an underground passage?

 

Could it be carn fury?

Did the giant that created it (it's always a giant) have a party or a rage?

 

 

Regards,

 

Andrew J Trim
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