[Spellyans] KK ha'n SWF - pronunciation

Harry Fraiser harryfraiser at googlemail.com
Sat Aug 9 15:55:33 IST 2008

I haven't read this book, I'm afraid. Must do so, of course. Are you
saying he doesn't endorse Lhuyd's recommended pronunciation?


On 8/9/08, nicholas williams <njawilliams at gmail.com> wrote:
> There can be no disagreement. We are not talking about minor
> differences here and there.
> We are talking about the entire sound system of Cornish.
> Why do you think I am so opposed to KK? Because it based on
> misassumptions.
> Ken George invented KK because he believed that Nance had got the
> entire phonemic system of Cornish wrong.
> Nance had been wrong not only over minor points like eu and *tj and
> *dj, but in his entire system.
> Unified had only two lengths: long and short, so that tasow and mammow
> had the same stressed vowel. In KK
> tasow had a half-long vowel and mammow a short one. To say tazzow was
> wrong; it should be ta·zow.
> Moreover Unified had single consonants only, whereas according to
> George it also had long consonants.
> Thus in the Georgean system mm in omma 'here' was long but in oma 'I
> am' it was short (and I am not talking
> about the length of the stressed vowel).
> I am sure you will have seen George's book the Pronunciation and
> Spelling of Revived Cornish in which he
> sets all hypothetical phonology out in detail.
> I and other Celticists and linguists disagree totally with George, but
> that is not the point.
> The fact is that in spite of the phonology he espouses, George speaks
> Unified. He makes a few adjustments to
> a number of sounds and he has long since abandoned tj and dj, but his
> spoken Cornish lacks a threefold length
> and lacks long consonants. What George speaks is closer to UCR than
> anything.
> KK is, in my view, mistaken.
> It is in everybody's view inauthentic.
> George himself does not speak it.
> What is the point of it?
> Nicholas
> On 9 Aug 2008, at 13:42, Penny Squire wrote:
>> I think that we will have to agree to differ on this, Nicholas.
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