[Spellyans] SWF discussion

Harry Fraiser harryfraiser at googlemail.com
Sat Aug 9 17:41:01 IST 2008

Now you mention it, I vaguely remember references to 'Kornbretlandi'.
Any chance there might be a Norse influence at work in Cornwall? After
all, the Norse and Cornish sometimes joined forces against the Saxons.


On 8/9/08, nicholas williams <njawilliams at gmail.com> wrote:
> George did his thesis in Brittany where they know nothing about
> Cornwall and her history. All they are concerned with is saving
> Breton from the Jacobin French republic.
> Understandably of course, but it means that they have a skewed
> approach to Cornish. And Cornish is completely unlike Breton for three
> reasons.
> 1 Cornish was spoken where it always had been. Breton was imported
> into a different
> linguistic milieu in the 5th and 6th centuries.
> 2 Cornish was heavily affected by Middle English. Breton not at all.
> 3 Cornish has no native speakers. Breton has thousands.
> The idea that Breton is a phonological key to Cornish is absurd.
> It is particularly absurd when one remembers that Breton tad, zant,
> Welsh tad, sant are
> Cornish tas, sans. It is obvious that something radical has occurred
> to Cornish which
> both Breton and Welsh have missed.
> Moreover the presence in Cornish since the sixteenth century of pre-
> occlusion (absent from
> both Welsh and Breton) is another indication that Cornish is unique
> among the Brythonic languages.
> This means that using either Welsh or Breton as controls is impossible.
> Actually the question of pre-occlusion is itself an interesting one.
> The only other
> Celtic language to demostrate pre-occlusion is Manx. Manx is Gaelic in
> the mouths of
> Norsemen, speakers of a Germanic language. Cornish is Brythonic in the
> mouths of
> Anglophone Cornishmen and Cornishwomen as they relearnt the Celtic
> language
> after the Norman Conquest and the loss of prestige by English.
> Nicholas
> On 9 Aug 2008, at 16:59, Harry Fraiser wrote:
>> Never forget that the troll fears nothing more than the clear light
>> of day.
>> Harry
>> On 8/9/08, Michael Everson <everson at evertype.com> wrote:
>>> On 9 Aug 2008, at 16:26, Penny Squire wrote:
>>>> I hadn't realised that you had come to the conclusion that Jenner's
>>>> phonology was correct. Perhaps it's time for his Handbook to be
>>>> reprinted. That would be a splendid project for Michael!
>>> Penny.
>>> You sound like a troll.
>>> Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com
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