[Spellyans] Penny Squire and Harry Fraiser

Harry Fraiser harryfraiser at googlemail.com
Sat Aug 9 18:16:42 IST 2008

Completely non sequuntur. A chap needs to be convinced. So far, I'm
only half-way there. You really need to speak to more than the
converted, you know!
Tim Saunders? Don't know the chap, or why I should.


On 8/9/08, Michael Everson <everson at evertype.com> wrote:
> On 9 Aug 2008, at 17:22, Harry Fraiser wrote:
>> You are, of course, quite mistaken. What a strange notion! Shan't
>> take offence, though.
> You're going to have to do better than that quip. I have just gone
> through looking at all of your posts. You do not sound to me like
> somebody who is here to make a contribution.
> * Is there any reason for not going back to the original spelling,
> like in the olden days?
> * Is there a system for selecting loanwords?
> * I've no expertise at all, I'm afraid. Could somebody explain who
> this Ms. Ansari is, and how she's important for the Cornish language?
> * Surely these Brook and Ansari people wouldn't be allowed to get away
> with such a plot? After all, the linguists were pretty eminent, I
> believe.
> * Where can I get them? Does Mr. Angarrack discuss the Cornish
> language? What form does he use?
> * Wouldn't it be a good idea to spell it 'zh'?
> * Irish has one form, 'Maire', for mortal women, and another, 'Muire'
> for the mother of Jesus. Might there have been a similar arrangement
> in Cornish?
> * Pardon my asking - are you the Nicholas Williams mentioned in Peter
> Beresford Ellis' book on Cornish?
> * Could somebody remind me how the 'e' and the 'y' with an Umlaut come
> in?
> * Isn't 'schwa' something to do with Hebrew?
> * Could we use 'zh' or 'dzh' in modern Cornish, perhaps?
> * I've no idea what the figures are for the different forms of
> Cornish, but surely there must be a minimum for each one? And who is
> Jenny?
> * Pardon my ignorance - who is Ms Lowe? Is she a member of the Gorseth
> a Kernow?
> * I'm very glad to here it. How many of them are there, and where
> should one go to hear them?
> * Who is Keith Bailey? Would it be possible, for the benefit of us
> exiles, to attach some explanatory epithet whenever introducing a new
> personage?
> * How are these Bardic titles determined? Do their spellings undergo
> variation pari passu with orthographical reform?
> * Shall you then omit these in the next edition?
> * P.S. Can you recommend good basic book on philology?
> * Been told of 'Language and History in Early Britain', by K. H.
> Jackson. Any help with Cornish?
> * What computer and data-base are these? Why have they been kept secret?
> * On the other hand, what would be the purpose of taking anything
> other than D.G.' native Cornish as our standard?
> * I haven't read this book, I'm afraid. Must do so, of course. Are you
> saying he doesn't endorse Lhuyd's recommended pronunciation?
> * Do I understand, then, that Breton in fact has four dialects? Why
> does Mr. George then posit the existence of a fifth instead of the
> Cornish language as we know it from [Jenner] and Gendall?
> * Why has he been permitted to propagate with impunity the doctrine
> that Cornish is the fifth dialect of Breton?
> * May I take it, then, that this baseless doctrine is, as it were, on
> the run?
> That's 25 more or less rhetorical questions, some with a whiff of
> provocativeness about them, and none actually on topic. Out of 47
> postings -- and of the rest, most of those contributions were one-word
> "Thanks!" or short quips.
> I was just about to write the following:
> More than anyone else, Harry, you remind me of Tim Saunders.
> But now there is no doubt. You have just written:
> On 9 Aug 2008, at 17:41, Harry Fraiser wrote:
>> Now you mention it, I vaguely remember references to
>> 'Kornbretlandi'. Any chance there might be a Norse influence at work
>> in Cornwall? After all, the Norse and Cornish sometimes joined
>> forces against the Saxons.
>> Tim
> I conclude therefore that you *are* Tim Saunders. Since you joined
> this list under a false name, you have been in violation of the List's
> rules from the beginning. You *lied* about who you are. Harry Fraiser
> will, of course, be banned for this, immediately.
> What did you hope to accomplish here? Did you hope to waste our time?
> Not a question you asked really did so. We have been doing what we set
> out to do: We have discussed shortcomings in the SWF and we have made
> progress towards revising it into a robust and excellent orthography
> that we can use for our own publications. We will press on, and we
> will succeed in our aims.
> Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com

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