[Spellyans] Internet trolls

Christian Semmens christian.semmens at gmail.com
Sun Aug 10 11:43:55 IST 2008

Steady on Eddie, :)

This kind of thing will happen and I would have been surprised if it
didn't. The best way to deal with trolls is to ignore them, or at
least not rise to their baiting. However, some points that are raised
are good to reflect upon. Every so often it is good to review the
basis of your position to ensure that it is as solid as it needs to

I don't think we should round on people here. Lets leave the Menystror
to do the work of maintaining order on the list. The work of trolls is
irritating, but I don't think they have been particularly divisive on
this list. I would be tempted to suggest that if we suspect troll is
present, or a breach of the list rules, we report it to the Menystror
and leave him to investigate and act. He can then deal with the
individual personally and then inform the list if he needs to bar
someone and state his reasons.

Although I have had suspicions about the motives of a couple of people
here I think we need to maintain an open policy to list membership and
not give the trolls ammunition to suggest that we hunt out and attack
or brow beat people with different opinions.

KK phonology is off topic for any of our discussions, so we need do
nothing more than ignore requests to reevaluate it or reappraise its
unsubstantiated nature. By any academic measure, without supporting
evidence KK has no more academic stature than guesswork.

If Ken George is watching, I would just say that I exhort you to
release your data for proper scrutiny. If there is *any* validity to
what you say then this should be properly peer reviewed otherwise it
is worthless. You know that!


2008/8/10 Eddie Climo <eddie_climo at yahoo.co.uk>:
> Members might like to have a look at the Wikipedia article on Internet
> trolls at:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29
> . . . which starts with a useful definition:
> An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts
> controversial and usually irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online
> community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the
> intention of baiting other users into an emotional response[1] or to
> generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.
> It seems that there is the odd correspondent on this list whose posts seem
> to fit that definition, and who appears to be unknown to the rest of us.
> Interestingly, these people offered up-front reasons in their introductory
> statements why this might be so: living outside Cornwall, travelling a lot,
> only just started learning Cornish, and so on.
> However, the Cornish Revival is , alas, but a small world, and thus one in
> which most people are known to many others. For myself, as a resident of
> Devon, I have little opportunity to get down to language events in Cornwall,
> and study the language largely on my own. Yet I know (and am known by) most
> people on this list, either first or second hand.
> From his penchant for polysyllabic pomposity, the odd Latinism and
> disingenuous, non-responsive, fake-bonhomie, 'Harry Fraiser' has sounded
> increasingly like 'Tim Saunders'. Indeed, he signed himself 'Tim' in a
> recent posting here.
> Another member who seems unknown claims to be called Penny Squires. Does any
> other member know someone of this name within the Revival? S/he claims to
> have attended quite a few language events; is there anyone who has met 'her'
> at one of them?
> Then, there's 'Mary Williams'; although we haven't had anything from that
> member for a while, a flip through the archives shows 'her' posts have been
> mostly rather trollish. Has anybody ever come across that name in the
> Revival?
> I apologise in advance to these two if my suspicions are unfounded.
> However, 'Harry Fraiser'/Tim Saunders seems to have been playing a trollish
> tit-for-tat double act with some of these other members. This is just like
> we've seen him doing on fora like C24 and CornishOrthography. There he did
> it with the likes of Paul Dunbar,  Keith Bailey and (just possibly) Ken
> George, all of them bar Dunbar using a variety of noms de guerre.
> Harry Fraiser's name is a lie. His introductory statement about himself was
> largely a lie -- if not the lie direct then the lie of the suggestio
> falsi variety. Why would he bother indulging in such silly subterfuge and
> dishonesty on an open, public list like this, when he'd have been perfectly
> welcome to join and take part under his own name?
> Perhaps this is the measure of what he believes is all he has to contribute
> to the Revival: lies and trolling.
> Eddie Foirbeis Climo
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