[Spellyans] Internet trolls

Christian Semmens christian.semmens at gmail.com
Mon Aug 11 09:15:15 IST 2008

That was never my intention Craig. As I said, I too have had
misgivings about some of the contributors here. It is also noticeable
that none of the named parties have attempted to defend their honour.
The poison and vitriol of the last twenty five years runs deep, also,
as Eddie so rightly pointed out, a trolls joy is in eliciting an
emotional response. The best way of dealing with trolls is to ignore
them and for the Menystror to block them as they raise their
pernicious heads. If Harry is Tim, all he has accomplished is to look
a bit pathetic and childish. By all means nail them on C24, that is
the place for those kinds of communication. This list strives to be
civil. The danger in publicly 'outing' trolls who may be disguised as
names we do not know is that it can easily be twisted by opponents
into accusations of witch hunting, sometimes mistakes can be made. It
could also create an awkward atmosphere for people who do not know the
characters behind the suspected trolls.

I have abolutely no desire to reign in Eddie's wit (heaven forbid! :-)
 )or to upset him in any way, apologies Eddie if I did. I also did not
accuse him of anything, let alone of having an agenda. I hope you
don't think me guilty of the things you mention in the last half of
your response? That is not my intention at all. I am fully supportive
of this project and I am painfully aware that we are going to need all
the support that we can get from both the public and especially
talented and competent people like Eddie and others on this list.


2008/8/10 Craig Weatherhill <weatherhill at freenet.co.uk>:
> Well, I have never before heard of any of these three people.  Eddie, on
> the other hand, was at Tremough last September where I met him for the
> first time.  And what a great guy he is.  Eddie is not afraid to stick
> his head above the parapet when it comes to defending traditional
> Cornish and has an acid wit of the type that endears him to the likes of
> me.  He is the sort of person I am proud to have as a friend.  What is
> Eddies' agenda?  He loves traditional Cornish and loathes anything that
> threatens that tradition.  In my book, that defines a good man.  He is
> also endowed with a wonderful creatve talent that will, before very
> long, contribute a hell of a lot to to Cornish language education,
> especially to the young, who have been scandoulsly neglected for far too
> long.  Eddie is a man we must embrace and encourage as much as we can.
> What he has to offer is far too valuable ever to turn down.
> Craig
> Eddie Climo wrote:
>> Members might like to have a look at the Wikipedia article on Internet
>> trolls at:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29
>> . . . which starts with a useful definition:
>>> An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who
>>> posts controversial and usually irrelevant or off-topic messages in
>>> an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room,
>>> with the intention of baiting other users into an emotional
>>> response[1] or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.
>> It seems that there is the odd correspondent on this list whose posts
>> seem to fit that definition, and who appears to be unknown to the rest
>> of us. Interestingly, these people offered up-front reasons in their
>> introductory statements why this might be so: living outside Cornwall,
>> travelling a lot, only just started learning Cornish, and so on.
>> However, the Cornish Revival is , alas, but a small world, and thus
>> one in which most people are known to many others. For myself, as a
>> resident of Devon, I have little opportunity to get down to language
>> events in Cornwall, and study the language largely on my own. Yet I
>> know (and am known by) most people on this list, either first or
>> second hand.
>> From his penchant for polysyllabic pomposity, the odd Latinism and
>> disingenuous, non-responsive, fake-bonhomie, 'Harry Fraiser' has
>> sounded increasingly like 'Tim Saunders'. Indeed, he signed himself
>> 'Tim' in a recent posting here.
>> Another member who seems unknown claims to be called Penny Squires.
>> Does any other member know someone of this name within the Revival?
>> S/he claims to have attended quite a few language events; is there
>> anyone who has met 'her' at one of them?
>> Then, there's 'Mary Williams'; although we haven't had anything from
>> that member for a while, a flip through the archives shows 'her' posts
>> have been mostly rather trollish. Has anybody ever come across that
>> name in the Revival?
>> I apologise in advance to these two if my suspicions are unfounded.
>> However, 'Harry Fraiser'/Tim Saunders seems to have been playing a
>> trollish tit-for-tat double act with some of these other members. This
>> is just like we've seen him doing on fora like C24 and
>> CornishOrthography. There he did it with the likes of Paul Dunbar,
>>  Keith Bailey and (just possibly) Ken George, all of them bar Dunbar
>> using a variety of /noms de guerre/.
>> Harry Fraiser's name is a lie. His introductory statement about
>> himself was largely a lie -- if not the lie direct then the lie of the
>> /suggestio falsi/ variety. Why would he bother indulging in such silly
>> subterfuge and dishonesty on an open, public list like this, when he'd
>> have been perfectly welcome to join and take part under his own name?
>> Perhaps this is the measure of what he believes is all he has to
>> contribute to the Revival: lies and trolling.
>> Eddie Foirbeis Climo
>> - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- -
>> Dres ethom akennow byner re bons lyeshes
>> /Accenti non multiplicanda praeter necessitatem/
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