[Spellyans] KK ha'n SWF - pronunciation - re DG

Craig Weatherhill weatherhill at freenet.co.uk
Tue Aug 12 20:16:52 IST 2008


Your ear and mine must be very different, Nige.  I can't detect the 
slightest Welsh sound to Dick's speech.  West Penwith, yes.  Very.  
Matthew lets received English creep in too much.  Have you heard Dan?

Craig



Nige Martin wrote:
> I may be missing some responses to this thread but, to the untrained 
> ear (mine), Mr Gendall sounds Welsh.
> My (basic) understanding, having purchased and listened to a KK 
> language CD a while back, is that KK sounds Welsh. I prefer the sound 
> of Matthew Clarke, his pronunciation at least sounds Cornish. Please 
> advise.
>
> Nigel
>
> 2008/8/9 Penny Squire <pennysquire at ymail.com 
> <mailto:pennysquire at ymail.com>>
>
>     Many thanks, Jan, for bringing this to our attention. I have only
>     listened to it once through, but when I have time I will study it
>     properly and make some notes on his pronunciation.
>
>     Yes, Craig, Dick Gendall certainly gallops through the story in
>     fine style - he is a natural storyteller, and he tells it in a
>     very lively fashion.
>
>     Having said that, even from a single viewing it is obvious that he
>     has learned the story by heart - few people could read a piece,
>     cold, at that speeed in their first language . So, in itself, it
>     can't indicate anything about his abilites in spontaneous speech.
>     I'm not knocking him, but it is a fact.
>
>     When my brother was at school his class learned the Chinese
>     national anthem by heart and sang it at the school concert, and as
>     they ended it an enormous Communist flag rolled down behind them
>     as a backdrop. (They did it to wind up the Head, who was known to
>     be a member of the Conservative Party!) They had got one of the
>     staff at the local Chinese restaurant to record it, and they all
>     got it off by heart and it sounded totally convincing especially
>     as none of the audience spoke Chinese. But - none of those who
>     sang could speak a word of conversational Chinese.
>
>     As I say, I'm not at all knocking Dick Gendall, and I haven't
>     heard him speak spontaneously and you have, but comparing
>     recordings of very well rehearsed tours de force with cold
>     readings and spontaneous conversation has limited value for the
>     purpose of comparison and can be totally misleading.
>
>     Thinking in Cornish: I've seen plenty of people do this at the
>     Kowethas events I've attended - it is impossible to be fluent if
>     you can't, but again, if we are arguing about pronunciation, it
>     tells us nothing.  One can be fluent in a language and still have
>     poor pronunciation.
>
>     Penny
>
>     From: Craig Weatherhill <weatherhill at freenet.co.uk
>     <mailto:weatherhill at freenet.co.uk>>
>
>     I never knew that was on Youtube.  If anyone was ever in any doubt
>     the
>     most fluent speaker of Cornish alive today is Dick Gendall, then this
>     must surely convince you.  He's in his 80s now, but he started to
>     learn
>     the language when he was 4.  This man can THINK in Cornish.  I have
>     seen him do this in front of an audience with not a scrap of paper in
>     front of him.  For me, at least, THIS is Cornish as it should be
>     spoken.  Remember the descriptions of the spoken Cornish from
>     years when
>     it was still a community vernacular.
>
>     "Lively and manly spoken" - William Scawen (c. 1680)
>
>     "Spoken rapidly" - Don Antonio Ortes (1600) [coming from a Spaniard,
>     that must be taken seriously!]
>
>     This clip shows extremely well what these two gentlemen were
>     describing.  Now, compare this to the KK speakers on the Youtube
>     menu.
>     (Well, you can't.  There's no comparison whatsoever).
>
>     Craig
>
>
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