[Spellyans] Introducing Penny Squire
Craig Weatherhill
weatherhill at freenet.co.uk
Fri Jul 11 13:59:49 BST 2008
And what mistakes were those? I didn't detect any. Yes, Michael's
typesetting and layout speaks very highly for itself, but content
matters just as much, if not more. Accept the praise, Nicholas. Both
Michael and your good self fully merit it. - and the same applies to
Bewnans Ke, which is one of my most highly prized possessions. Kesva
productions cannot hold a candle to either of you.
Craig
nicholas williams wrote:
> The credit for the appearance of Testament Noweth goes to Michael.
> I am responsible only for the mistakes.
>
> Nicholas
>
>
> On 11 Jul 2008, at 12:27, Craig Weatherhill wrote:
>
>
>> Unfortunately, Nicholas, I've seen it. Just like their version of
>> Bewnans Ke, it is the exact opposite of your Testament Noweth which
>> merited the description that one commentator gave to it : "the most
>> beautiful book ever written in Cornish". I showed your TN to my
>> all-too-frequent JW visitors (when will they accept that I will never,
>> ever, subscribe to any organised religion?), and they went into
>> raptures
>> about it.
>>
>> Craig
>>
>>
>> nicholas williams wrote:
>>
>>> He did not understand that KK was controversial.
>>> Unlike Rowan Williams, he did not allow his words to be translated
>>> into KK.
>>> See the Kesva's Testament Nowydh (if you must—it is dreadful in every
>>> possible way).
>>>
>>> Nicholas
>>> -----------
>>> On 11 Jul 2008, at 12:05, Craig Weatherhill wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On the downside, he also contributed to Ken George's dictionary ("An
>>>> Gerlyver Kres"): Page 2 - "The publication of this book has been
>>>> supported by a donation from H.R.H. the Duke of Cornwall".
>>>>
>>>> Craig
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> nicholas williams wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> You know, Ken, that his great-great-grandfather Edward VII
>>>>> subsidised
>>>>> Dwelly's Gaelic dictionary.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nicholas
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11 Jul 2008, at 10:42, Ken MacKinnon wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> He turned up at the Dingwall Mod in 1991 and got up in the High
>>>>>> Street here
>>>>>> and gave a pretty good speech all in Gaelic. So although I am no
>>>>>> royalist
>>>>>> myself, full marks for 'going the extra mile', taking his Duke of
>>>>>> Rothesay
>>>>>> and Lord of the Isles titles seriously
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - an Ken ken
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (Prof) Ken MacKinnon,
>>>>>> Ivy Cottage, Ferintosh,
>>>>>> The Black Isle, by Dingwall,
>>>>>> Ross-shire IV7 8HX
>>>>>> Tel: 01349 - 863460
>>>>>> E-mail: kenmackinnon at enterprise.net
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Harry Fraiser" <harryfraiser at googlemail.com>
>>>>>> To: "Standard Cornish discussion list" <spellyans at kernowek.net>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 5:36 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Spellyans] Introducing Penny Squire
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, that does seem rather unfair. After all, he has insisted
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> Cornish be used on the Duchy of Cornwall website!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Harry
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 7/10/08, nicholas williams <njawilliams at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And by me. I live in Ireland, not Cornwall, and living as expat
>>>>>>>> here I
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> become quite a royalist. I have a high opinion of the Prince of
>>>>>>>> Wales/
>>>>>>>> Duke of Cornwall and
>>>>>>>> find insults to the royal family deeply offensive.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nicholas Williams
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 10 Jul 2008, at 17:16, Owen Cook wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Like Jon, I'm interested in hearing your specific complaints
>>>>>>>>> about the
>>>>>>>>> SWF. I suspect we all have quibbles or reservations about the
>>>>>>>>> process
>>>>>>>>> itself, but do you have any particulars concerning the finished
>>>>>>>>> project which you feel need to be corrected?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> By the bye, ad hominems and personal insults like "mutt" and
>>>>>>>>> "big
>>>>>>>>> ears" are looked askance at by the list administrator.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Oll an gwelha,
>>>>>>>>> ~~Owen
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 10/07/2008, Penny Squire <pennysquire at ymail.com> rug scrifa:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Please bear in mind that for several years I have been to and
>>>>>>>>>> fro
>>>>>>>>>> between
>>>>>>>>>> Cornwall and other places rather a lot, so have been less in
>>>>>>>>>> touch
>>>>>>>>>> than I
>>>>>>>>>> would have preferred.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Having said that, I have, when possible, been ploughing
>>>>>>>>>> through
>>>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> every discussion I could access on what was going on (in
>>>>>>>>>> addition to
>>>>>>>>>> actually learning the language!) including Cornwall 24, as
>>>>>>>>>> well as
>>>>>>>>>> looking
>>>>>>>>>> at George, Gendall, Williams and Chaudhri.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> From what I can gather the Partnership may have been
>>>>>>>>>> following a
>>>>>>>>>> political
>>>>>>>>>> agenda of " let's fudge something, it means government
>>>>>>>>>> money" -
>>>>>>>>>> great for
>>>>>>>>>> the boys and girls employed by Cornwall Council, not so great
>>>>>>>>>> for the
>>>>>>>>>> language.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm not, however, discounting actual malice ("let's blow the
>>>>>>>>>> money on
>>>>>>>>>> conferences, pander to non-speakers, sideline Cornish speakers
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> homegrown
>>>>>>>>>> experts and fly in outside experts, preferably ones that are
>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>> too expert,
>>>>>>>>>> produce a shambles and really stuff the language") - Eric
>>>>>>>>>> Brook
>>>>>>>>>> is,
>>>>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>>>>> all, a colleague of Doris Ansari (anyone who doesn't know
>>>>>>>>>> about La
>>>>>>>>>> Ansari
>>>>>>>>>> and her anti-Cornish agenda shouldn't be on this list!) and
>>>>>>>>>> Bert
>>>>>>>>>> Biscoe lost
>>>>>>>>>> the plot on the Assembly campaign long ago and has obviously
>>>>>>>>>> failed
>>>>>>>>>> to come
>>>>>>>>>> to any sort of understanding about the language.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Having read John Angarrack's latest I wouldn't be surprised if
>>>>>>>>>> Big
>>>>>>>>>> Ears
>>>>>>>>>> Windsor had a hand in it, either.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have read the so-called report the Commission produced and
>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>> seen more
>>>>>>>>>> valuable documents hanging on the nail in Granny's outside
>>>>>>>>>> privy.
>>>>>>>>>> I'm not a
>>>>>>>>>> linguist, but one hardly needs to be to see that they were, as
>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>> uncle Tony
>>>>>>>>>> the builder would say, 'shitty workers'. It's a pity linguists
>>>>>>>>>> aren't
>>>>>>>>>> covered by the Trade Descriptions Act.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Essentially I have no confidence whatsoever in the process
>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>> led to the
>>>>>>>>>> SWF. It looks as if it were modelled on government public
>>>>>>>>>> consultation
>>>>>>>>>> exercises which are a total sham - the public has its say
>>>>>>>>>> which is
>>>>>>>>>> totally
>>>>>>>>>> ignored and some back office hack produces a hideous plan
>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>> please
>>>>>>>>>> nobody, doesn't work and costs the taxpayer a bomb to build
>>>>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>>>>> going way
>>>>>>>>>> over budget.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As for the SWF itself - I imaging any linguist with a
>>>>>>>>>> knowledge of
>>>>>>>>>> Brythonic
>>>>>>>>>> languages would tear it apart.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I am not an expert on linguistics - but trying to design an
>>>>>>>>>> orthography to
>>>>>>>>>> reflect how second language learners and speakers brought up
>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>> divergent
>>>>>>>>>> phonologies mispronounce Cornish has to be the single most
>>>>>>>>>> crazy
>>>>>>>>>> linguistic
>>>>>>>>>> idea since whoever it was built the tower of Babel. What mutt
>>>>>>>>>> dreamt that
>>>>>>>>>> one up?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jon, in a previous post you said something to the effect
>>>>>>>>>> that it
>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>> pointless discussing orthography design before agreeing on
>>>>>>>>>> pronunciation. Go
>>>>>>>>>> to the top of the class! I have laboured through the
>>>>>>>>>> postings on
>>>>>>>>>> this list -
>>>>>>>>>> I think you need to reiterate it - in capitals!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As I said in my introduction, I have been learning Cornish
>>>>>>>>>> using
>>>>>>>>>> Kernewek
>>>>>>>>>> Kemmyn. I'd be interested to know how close the Spellyans
>>>>>>>>>> group
>>>>>>>>>> is to
>>>>>>>>>> reaching conclusions on pronunciation, and if, where and why
>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>> differs from
>>>>>>>>>> KK.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I shall be away for ten days or thereabout and will catch up
>>>>>>>>>> on my
>>>>>>>>>> return.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Penny
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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