[Spellyans] Phonemic inventory
njawilliams at gmail.com
Fri Jul 4 09:33:38 IST 2008
In this matter my own speech is irrelevant. I am attempting to
elucidate how other speakers of revived Cornish speak,
affected as they are by English. They do pronounce ha as [ha] not as
[h@] and after [T] and other voiceless
consonants the first segment of ha is inaudible.
You would be very hard put to it to say ha after gwe:T, Jon, even with
stressing of the ha. The h would not be heard.
You say: Actually, I would say [diU gwe:T @ 'mænt at l] if HA is
unstressed. And I would say [diU gwe:T ha 'mænt at l] if HA is stressed.
And then you say: A problem with inventing examples such as these is
that one is effectively saying that such-and-such a word is pronounced
like this because I say so.
We are all guilty of this 'because I say so' attitude —and indeed
without native speakers we have no choice.
In traditional Cornish ha no doubt had several shapes: [ha, hae, h@,
It still seems to me better (and I am being prescriptive) to assume
that the vowel in <ha> is /a/ rather than schwa.
On 4 Jul 2008, at 09:10, Jon Mills wrote:
> Nicholas did not demonstrate minimal contrast with all the other
> vowels of Cornish.
> Actually, I would say [diU gwe:T @ 'mænt at l] if HA is unstressed. And
> I would say [diU gwe:T ha 'mænt at l] if HA is stressed.
> A problem with inventing examples such as these is that one is
> effectively saying that such-and-such a word is pronounced like this
> because I say so.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Michael Everson" <everson at evertype.com>
>> To: "Standard Cornish discussion list" <spellyans at kernowek.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Spellyans] Phonemic inventory
>> Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 08:50:39 +0100
>> At 07:44 +0000 2008-07-04, Jon Mills wrote:
>>> In order to determine whether schwa is a phoneme in Cornish it is
>>> necessary to demonstrate minimal contrast with all the other
>>> vowels. It is often said that schwa is not a phoneme of English
>>> because there is no minimal contrast pairs between [@] and [V] in
>>> unstressed syllables.
>> But Nicholas just did, did he not?
>> [diU gwe:T a 'mænt at l]
>> [In 'gwET@ pre:z]
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