[Spellyans] Introducing Penny Squire

nicholas williams njawilliams at gmail.com
Thu Jul 10 17:25:39 IST 2008


And by me. I live in Ireland, not Cornwall, and living as expat here I  
have
become quite a royalist. I have a high opinion of the Prince of Wales/ 
Duke of Cornwall and
find insults to the royal family deeply offensive.

Nicholas Williams

On 10 Jul 2008, at 17:16, Owen Cook wrote:

> Like Jon, I'm interested in hearing your specific complaints about the
> SWF. I suspect we all have quibbles or reservations about the process
> itself, but do you have any particulars concerning the finished
> project which you feel need to be corrected?
>
> By the bye, ad hominems and personal insults like "mutt" and "big
> ears" are looked askance at by the list administrator.
>
> Oll an gwelha,
> ~~Owen
>
> On 10/07/2008, Penny Squire <pennysquire at ymail.com> rug scrifa:
>>
>> Please bear in mind that for several years I have been to and fro  
>> between
>> Cornwall and other places rather a lot, so have been less in touch  
>> than I
>> would have preferred.
>>
>> Having said that, I have, when possible, been ploughing through any  
>> and
>> every discussion I could access on what was going on (in addition to
>> actually learning the language!) including Cornwall 24, as well as  
>> looking
>> at George, Gendall, Williams and Chaudhri.
>>
>> From what I can gather the Partnership may have been following a  
>> political
>> agenda of " let's fudge something, it means government money" -  
>> great for
>> the boys and girls employed by Cornwall Council, not so great for the
>> language.
>>
>> I'm not, however, discounting actual malice ("let's blow the money on
>> conferences, pander to non-speakers, sideline Cornish speakers and  
>> homegrown
>> experts and fly in outside experts, preferably ones that are not  
>> too expert,
>> produce a shambles and really stuff the language") - Eric Brook is,  
>> after
>> all, a colleague of Doris Ansari (anyone who doesn't know about La  
>> Ansari
>> and her anti-Cornish agenda shouldn't be on this list!) and Bert  
>> Biscoe lost
>> the plot on the Assembly campaign long ago and has obviously failed  
>> to come
>> to any sort of understanding about the language.
>>
>> Having read John Angarrack's latest I wouldn't be surprised if Big  
>> Ears
>> Windsor had a hand in it, either.
>>
>> I have read the so-called report the Commission produced and have  
>> seen more
>> valuable documents hanging on the nail in Granny's outside privy.  
>> I'm not a
>> linguist, but one hardly needs to be to see that they were, as my  
>> uncle Tony
>> the builder would say, 'shitty workers'. It's a pity linguists aren't
>> covered by the Trade Descriptions Act.
>>
>> Essentially I have no confidence whatsoever in the process which  
>> led to the
>> SWF. It looks as if it were modelled on government public  
>> consultation
>> exercises which are a total sham - the public has its say which is  
>> totally
>> ignored and some back office hack produces a hideous plan which  
>> please
>> nobody, doesn't work and costs the taxpayer a bomb to build after  
>> going way
>> over budget.
>>
>> As for the SWF itself - I imaging any linguist with a knowledge of  
>> Brythonic
>> languages would tear it apart.
>>
>> I am not an expert on linguistics - but trying to design  an  
>> orthography to
>> reflect how second language learners and speakers brought up on  
>> divergent
>> phonologies mispronounce Cornish has to be the single most crazy  
>> linguistic
>> idea since whoever it was built the tower of Babel. What mutt  
>> dreamt that
>> one up?
>>
>> Jon, in a previous post you said something to the effect that it was
>> pointless discussing orthography design before agreeing on  
>> pronunciation. Go
>> to the top of the class! I have laboured through the postings on  
>> this list -
>> I think you need to reiterate it - in capitals!
>>
>> As I said in my introduction, I have been learning Cornish using  
>> Kernewek
>> Kemmyn. I'd be interested to know how close the Spellyans group is to
>> reaching conclusions on pronunciation, and if, where and why it  
>> differs from
>> KK.
>>
>> I shall be away for ten days or thereabout and will catch up on my  
>> return.
>>
>> Penny
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