[Spellyans] Introducing Penny Squire

Craig Weatherhill weatherhill at freenet.co.uk
Thu Jul 10 17:52:57 IST 2008

Yes, Penny, I've read John Angarrack's latest as well - and have good 
reason to know that he has very much hit upon the truth.  The "Windsor" 
bit is intriguing (although his real surname is Saxe-Coburg-Gotha or, 
paternally, Battenburg) - so how come his sons are William and Harry 
Wales?  What is that about?  Is it a legal change of name under Deed 
Poll?  Or, basically, why?

KK pronunciation is not an easy subject, because there is more than 
one.  There is the pronunciation recommended by Ken George in his 
published material - and there is that which is used by almost every KK 
user, including Ken George which is, in fact, the pronunciation of 
Unified Cornish.

The SWF with traditional forms is not, in my view, a disaster.  There 
are things that are fundamentally wrong with it, hence this Spellyans 
list, but nothing that can't be put right.  The real disaster is the 
fact that there are two forms, the "main" form retaining some KK 
graphs.  I presume this is why they dropped the original title "Single" 
Written Form and replaced it with "Standard" Written Form.

Craig (Marhak on C24, if you hadn't already twigged)

Penny Squire wrote:
> Please bear in mind that for several years I have been to and fro 
> between Cornwall and other places rather a lot, so have been less in 
> touch than I would have preferred.
> Having said that, I have, when possible, been ploughing through any 
> and every discussion I could access on what was going on (in addition 
> to actually learning the language!) including Cornwall 24, as well as 
> looking at George, Gendall, Williams and Chaudhri.
> From what I can gather the Partnership may have been following a 
> political agenda of " let's fudge something, it means government 
> money" - great for the boys and girls employed by Cornwall Council, 
> not so great for the language.
> I'm not, however, discounting actual malice ("let's blow the money on 
> conferences, pander to non-speakers, sideline Cornish speakers and 
> homegrown experts and fly in outside experts, preferably ones that are 
> not too expert, produce a shambles and really stuff the language") - 
> Eric Brook is, after all, a colleague of Doris Ansari (anyone who 
> doesn't know about La Ansari and her anti-Cornish agenda shouldn't be 
> on this list!) and Bert Biscoe lost the plot on the Assembly campaign 
> long ago and has obviously failed to come to any sort of understanding 
> about the language.
> Having read John Angarrack's latest I wouldn't be surprised if Big 
> Ears Windsor had a hand in it, either. 
> I have read the so-called report the Commission produced and have seen 
> more valuable documents hanging on the nail in Granny's outside privy. 
> I'm not a linguist, but one hardly needs to be to see that they were, 
> as my uncle Tony the builder would say, 'shitty workers'. It's a pity 
> linguists aren't covered by the Trade Descriptions Act.
> Essentially I have no confidence whatsoever in the process which led 
> to the SWF. It looks as if it were modelled on government public 
> consultation exercises which are a total sham - the public has its say 
> which is totally ignored and some back office hack produces a hideous 
> plan which please nobody, doesn't work and costs the taxpayer a bomb 
> to build after going way over budget.
> As for the SWF itself - I imaging any linguist with a knowledge of 
> Brythonic languages would tear it apart.
> I am not an expert on linguistics - but trying to design  an 
> orthography to reflect how second language learners and speakers 
> brought up on divergent phonologies mispronounce Cornish has to be the 
> single most crazy linguistic  idea since whoever it was built the 
> tower of Babel. What mutt dreamt that one up?
> Jon, in a previous post you said something to the effect that it was 
> pointless discussing orthography design before agreeing on 
> pronunciation. Go to the top of the class! I have laboured through the 
> postings on this list - I think you need to reiterate it - in capitals!
> As I said in my introduction, I have been learning Cornish using 
> Kernewek Kemmyn. I'd be interested to know how close the Spellyans 
> group is to reaching conclusions on pronunciation, and if, where and 
> why it differs from KK.
> I shall be away for ten days or thereabout and will catch up on my 
> return. 
> Penny
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Jon Mills <j.mills at email.com>
> To: Standard Cornish discussion list <spellyans at kernowek.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, 9 July, 2008 8:44:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [Spellyans] Introducing Penny Squire
> I'd be interested to hear why you think the SWF is a disaster, Penny.
> Jon
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     From: "Penny Squire"
>     To: spellyans at kernowek.net
>     Subject: [Spellyans] Introducing Penny Squire
>     Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 16:43:08 +0000 (GMT)
>     Hello, I'm Penny Squire and I've been studying Cornish for a
>     while, partly through KDL using Kemmyn and partly by looking at
>     everything I could lay my hands on.  Unfortunately I have been in
>     and out of Cornwall a lot over the past few years, so classes and
>     exams were out, and conversational experience has been crammed in
>     whenever possible. Hopefully this may change before long.
>     I also have some UC and LC material which I picked up here and
>     there and I have looked at some of the MC texts, so I am
>     reasonably aware of the different spellings. I have not studied
>     linguistics but have a smattering of languages and am pretty good
>     at hearing differences in dialects.
>     In my opinion the SWF is a disaster! I don't see how it can be
>     fixed, but I gather that some believe that it may be possible. 
>     I'm willing to hear everyone's views - which is why I'm here.
>     Penny
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