[Spellyans] Introducing Penny Squire

Craig Weatherhill weatherhill at freenet.co.uk
Thu Jul 10 17:55:19 IST 2008

This really isn't the place to discuss the Ansari creature but she has 
got away with far too much over the years.  Far, far too much.  Read 
John Angarrack's books for a good summary.


Harry Fraiser wrote:
> Surely these Brook and Ansari people wouldn't be allowed to get away
> with such a plot? After all, the linguists were pretty eminent, I
> believe.
> Harry
> On 7/10/08, Penny Squire <pennysquire at ymail.com> wrote:
>> Please bear in mind that for several years I have been to and fro between
>> Cornwall and other places rather a lot, so have been less in touch than I
>> would have preferred.
>> Having said that, I have, when possible, been ploughing through any and
>> every discussion I could access on what was going on (in addition to
>> actually learning the language!) including Cornwall 24, as well as looking
>> at George, Gendall, Williams and Chaudhri.
>> From what I can gather the Partnership may have been following a political
>> agenda of " let's fudge something, it means government money" - great for
>> the boys and girls employed by Cornwall Council, not so great for the
>> language.
>> I'm not, however, discounting actual malice ("let's blow the money on
>> conferences, pander to non-speakers, sideline Cornish speakers and homegrown
>> experts and fly in outside experts, preferably ones that are not too expert,
>> produce a shambles and really stuff the language") - Eric Brook is, after
>> all, a colleague of Doris Ansari (anyone who doesn't know about La Ansari
>> and her anti-Cornish agenda shouldn't be on this list!) and Bert Biscoe lost
>> the plot on the Assembly campaign long ago and has obviously failed to come
>> to any sort of understanding about the language.
>> Having read John Angarrack's latest I wouldn't be surprised if Big
>> Ears Windsor had a hand in it, either.
>> I have read the so-called report the Commission produced and have seen more
>> valuable documents hanging on the nail in Granny's outside privy. I'm not a
>> linguist, but one hardly needs to be to see that they were, as my uncle Tony
>> the builder would say, 'shitty workers'. It's a pity linguists aren't
>> covered by the Trade Descriptions Act.
>> Essentially I have no confidence whatsoever in the process which led to the
>> SWF. It looks as if it were modelled on government public consultation
>> exercises which are a total sham - the public has its say which is totally
>> ignored and some back office hack produces a hideous plan which please
>> nobody, doesn't work and costs the taxpayer a bomb to build after going way
>> over budget.
>> As for the SWF itself - I imaging any linguist with a knowledge of Brythonic
>> languages would tear it apart.
>> I am not an expert on linguistics - but trying to design  an orthography to
>> reflect how second language learners and speakers brought up on divergent
>> phonologies mispronounce Cornish has to be the single most crazy linguistic
>>  idea since whoever it was built the tower of Babel. What mutt dreamt that
>> one up?
>> Jon, in a previous post you said something to the effect that it was
>> pointless discussing orthography design before agreeing on pronunciation. Go
>> to the top of the class! I have laboured through the postings on this list -
>> I think you need to reiterate it - in capitals!
>> As I said in my introduction, I have been learning Cornish using Kernewek
>> Kemmyn. I'd be interested to know how close the Spellyans
>> group is to reaching conclusions on pronunciation, and if, where and why it
>> differs from KK.
>> I shall be away for ten days or thereabout and will catch up on my return.
>> Penny
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Jon Mills <j.mills at email.com>
>> To: Standard Cornish discussion list <spellyans at kernowek.net>
>> Sent: Wednesday, 9 July, 2008 8:44:02 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Spellyans] Introducing Penny Squire
>> I'd be interested to hear why you think the SWF is a disaster, Penny.
>> Jon
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Penny Squire"
>> To: spellyans at kernowek.net
>> Subject: [Spellyans] Introducing Penny Squire
>> Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 16:43:08 +0000 (GMT)
>> Hello, I'm Penny Squire and I've been studying Cornish for a while, partly
>> through KDL using Kemmyn and partly by looking at everything I could lay my
>> hands on.  Unfortunately I have been in and out of Cornwall a lot over the
>> past few years, so classes and exams were out, and conversational experience
>> has been crammed in whenever possible. Hopefully this may change before
>> long.
>> I also have some UC and LC material which I picked up here and there and I
>> have looked at some of the MC texts, so I am reasonably aware of the
>> different spellings. I have not studied linguistics but have a smattering of
>> languages and am pretty good at hearing differences in dialects.
>> In my opinion the SWF is a disaster! I don't see how it can be fixed, but I
>> gather that some believe that it may be possible.  I'm willing to hear
>> everyone's views - which is why I'm here.
>> Penny
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