[Spellyans] Introducing Penny Squire

Craig Weatherhill weatherhill at freenet.co.uk
Thu Jul 10 17:57:41 IST 2008



Holidaying in Cornwall, are you?

Yes, I, too, understand that Fishman and Pultz bailed out.  It was never 
really explained why and, after Tremough, O'Riogain and Strubell also 
ducked for cover.

Craig


Penny Squire wrote:
> That's odd. You got a copy of my posting, so did I, but nothing 
> appeared on the list. Glitch in the software? Attention, please, list 
> owner!
>  
> Re linguists: Fishman and Pultz bailed out halfway through, I understand.
>  
> From what I have Googled I would not have thought that the rest were 
> terribly eminent and with zilch experience in languages revived from 
> texts.
>  
> Gotta go - bye guys, back whenever put probably not with suntan
>  
> Penny
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Harry Fraiser <harryfraiser at googlemail.com>
> To: Standard Cornish discussion list <spellyans at kernowek.net>
> Sent: Thursday, 10 July, 2008 4:48:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [Spellyans] Introducing Penny Squire
>
> Surely these Brook and Ansari people wouldn't be allowed to get away
> with such a plot? After all, the linguists were pretty eminent, I
> believe.
>
> Harry
>
> On 7/10/08, Penny Squire <pennysquire at ymail.com 
> <mailto:pennysquire at ymail.com>> wrote:
> > Please bear in mind that for several years I have been to and fro 
> between
> > Cornwall and other places rather a lot, so have been less in touch 
> than I
> > would have preferred.
> > Having said that, I have, when possible, been ploughing through any and
> > every discussion I could access on what was going on (in addition to
> > actually learning the language!) including Cornwall 24, as well as 
> looking
> > at George, Gendall, Williams and Chaudhri.
> > From what I can gather the Partnership may have been following a 
> political
> > agenda of " let's fudge something, it means government money" - 
> great for
> > the boys and girls employed by Cornwall Council, not so great for the
> > language.
> > I'm not, however, discounting actual malice ("let's blow the money on
> > conferences, pander to non-speakers, sideline Cornish speakers and 
> homegrown
> > experts and fly in outside experts, preferably ones that are not too 
> expert,
> > produce a shambles and really stuff the language") - Eric Brook is, 
> after
> > all, a colleague of Doris Ansari (anyone who doesn't know about La 
> Ansari
> > and her anti-Cornish agenda shouldn't be on this list!) and Bert 
> Biscoe lost
> > the plot on the Assembly campaign long ago and has obviously failed 
> to come
> > to any sort of understanding about the language.
> > Having read John Angarrack's latest I wouldn't be surprised if Big
> > Ears Windsor had a hand in it, either.
> > I have read the so-called report the Commission produced and have 
> seen more
> > valuable documents hanging on the nail in Granny's outside privy. 
> I'm not a
> > linguist, but one hardly needs to be to see that they were, as my 
> uncle Tony
> > the builder would say, 'shitty workers'. It's a pity linguists aren't
> > covered by the Trade Descriptions Act.
> > Essentially I have no confidence whatsoever in the process which led 
> to the
> > SWF. It looks as if it were modelled on government public consultation
> > exercises which are a total sham - the public has its say which is 
> totally
> > ignored and some back office hack produces a hideous plan which please
> > nobody, doesn't work and costs the taxpayer a bomb to build after 
> going way
> > over budget.
> > As for the SWF itself - I imaging any linguist with a knowledge of 
> Brythonic
> > languages would tear it apart.
> > I am not an expert on linguistics - but trying to design  an 
> orthography to
> > reflect how second language learners and speakers brought up on 
> divergent
> > phonologies mispronounce Cornish has to be the single most crazy 
> linguistic
> >  idea since whoever it was built the tower of Babel.. What mutt 
> dreamt that
> > one up?
> > Jon, in a previous post you said something to the effect that it was
> > pointless discussing orthography design before agreeing on 
> pronunciation. Go
> > to the top of the class! I have laboured through the postings on 
> this list -
> > I think you need to reiterate it - in capitals!
> > As I said in my introduction, I have been learning Cornish using 
> Kernewek
> > Kemmyn. I'd be interested to know how close the Spellyans
> > group is to reaching conclusions on pronunciation, and if, where and 
> why it
> > differs from KK.
> > I shall be away for ten days or thereabout and will catch up on my 
> return.
> > Penny
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Jon Mills <j.mills at email.com <mailto:j.mills at email.com>>
> > To: Standard Cornish discussion list <spellyans at kernowek.net 
> <mailto:spellyans at kernowek.net>>
> > Sent: Wednesday, 9 July, 2008 8:44:02 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Spellyans] Introducing Penny Squire
> >
> >
> > I'd be interested to hear why you think the SWF is a disaster, Penny.
> > Jon
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Penny Squire"
> > To: spellyans at kernowek.net <mailto:spellyans at kernowek.net>
> > Subject: [Spellyans] Introducing Penny Squire
> > Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 16:43:08 +0000 (GMT)
> >
> >
> > Hello, I'm Penny Squire and I've been studying Cornish for a while, 
> partly
> > through KDL using Kemmyn and partly by looking at everything I could 
> lay my
> > hands on.  Unfortunately I have been in and out of Cornwall a lot 
> over the
> > past few years, so classes and exams were out, and conversational 
> experience
> > has been crammed in whenever possible. Hopefully this may change before
> > long.
> >
> > I also have some UC and LC material which I picked up here and there 
> and I
> > have looked at some of the MC texts, so I am reasonably aware of the
> > different spellings. I have not studied linguistics but have a 
> smattering of
> > languages and am pretty good at hearing differences in dialects.
> >
> > In my opinion the SWF is a disaster! I don't see how it can be 
> fixed, but I
> > gather that some believe that it may be possible.  I'm willing to hear
> > everyone's views - which is why I'm here.
> >
> > Penny
> >
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