[Spellyans] Introducing Penny Squire

Harry Fraiser harryfraiser at googlemail.com
Thu Jul 10 17:58:35 IST 2008

Where can I get them? Does Mr. Angarrack discuss the Cornish language?
What form does he use?


On 7/10/08, Craig Weatherhill <weatherhill at freenet.co.uk> wrote:
> This really isn't the place to discuss the Ansari creature but she has
> got away with far too much over the years.  Far, far too much.  Read
> John Angarrack's books for a good summary.
> Craig
> Harry Fraiser wrote:
>> Surely these Brook and Ansari people wouldn't be allowed to get away
>> with such a plot? After all, the linguists were pretty eminent, I
>> believe.
>> Harry
>> On 7/10/08, Penny Squire <pennysquire at ymail.com> wrote:
>>> Please bear in mind that for several years I have been to and fro between
>>> Cornwall and other places rather a lot, so have been less in touch than I
>>> would have preferred.
>>> Having said that, I have, when possible, been ploughing through any and
>>> every discussion I could access on what was going on (in addition to
>>> actually learning the language!) including Cornwall 24, as well as
>>> looking
>>> at George, Gendall, Williams and Chaudhri.
>>> From what I can gather the Partnership may have been following a
>>> political
>>> agenda of " let's fudge something, it means government money" - great for
>>> the boys and girls employed by Cornwall Council, not so great for the
>>> language.
>>> I'm not, however, discounting actual malice ("let's blow the money on
>>> conferences, pander to non-speakers, sideline Cornish speakers and
>>> homegrown
>>> experts and fly in outside experts, preferably ones that are not too
>>> expert,
>>> produce a shambles and really stuff the language") - Eric Brook is, after
>>> all, a colleague of Doris Ansari (anyone who doesn't know about La Ansari
>>> and her anti-Cornish agenda shouldn't be on this list!) and Bert Biscoe
>>> lost
>>> the plot on the Assembly campaign long ago and has obviously failed to
>>> come
>>> to any sort of understanding about the language.
>>> Having read John Angarrack's latest I wouldn't be surprised if Big
>>> Ears Windsor had a hand in it, either.
>>> I have read the so-called report the Commission produced and have seen
>>> more
>>> valuable documents hanging on the nail in Granny's outside privy. I'm not
>>> a
>>> linguist, but one hardly needs to be to see that they were, as my uncle
>>> Tony
>>> the builder would say, 'shitty workers'. It's a pity linguists aren't
>>> covered by the Trade Descriptions Act.
>>> Essentially I have no confidence whatsoever in the process which led to
>>> the
>>> SWF. It looks as if it were modelled on government public consultation
>>> exercises which are a total sham - the public has its say which is
>>> totally
>>> ignored and some back office hack produces a hideous plan which please
>>> nobody, doesn't work and costs the taxpayer a bomb to build after going
>>> way
>>> over budget.
>>> As for the SWF itself - I imaging any linguist with a knowledge of
>>> Brythonic
>>> languages would tear it apart.
>>> I am not an expert on linguistics - but trying to design  an orthography
>>> to
>>> reflect how second language learners and speakers brought up on divergent
>>> phonologies mispronounce Cornish has to be the single most crazy
>>> linguistic
>>>  idea since whoever it was built the tower of Babel. What mutt dreamt
>>> that
>>> one up?
>>> Jon, in a previous post you said something to the effect that it was
>>> pointless discussing orthography design before agreeing on pronunciation.
>>> Go
>>> to the top of the class! I have laboured through the postings on this
>>> list -
>>> I think you need to reiterate it - in capitals!
>>> As I said in my introduction, I have been learning Cornish using Kernewek
>>> Kemmyn. I'd be interested to know how close the Spellyans
>>> group is to reaching conclusions on pronunciation, and if, where and why
>>> it
>>> differs from KK.
>>> I shall be away for ten days or thereabout and will catch up on my
>>> return.
>>> Penny
>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>> From: Jon Mills <j.mills at email.com>
>>> To: Standard Cornish discussion list <spellyans at kernowek.net>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 9 July, 2008 8:44:02 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Spellyans] Introducing Penny Squire
>>> I'd be interested to hear why you think the SWF is a disaster, Penny.
>>> Jon
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Penny Squire"
>>> To: spellyans at kernowek.net
>>> Subject: [Spellyans] Introducing Penny Squire
>>> Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 16:43:08 +0000 (GMT)
>>> Hello, I'm Penny Squire and I've been studying Cornish for a while,
>>> partly
>>> through KDL using Kemmyn and partly by looking at everything I could lay
>>> my
>>> hands on.  Unfortunately I have been in and out of Cornwall a lot over
>>> the
>>> past few years, so classes and exams were out, and conversational
>>> experience
>>> has been crammed in whenever possible. Hopefully this may change before
>>> long.
>>> I also have some UC and LC material which I picked up here and there and
>>> I
>>> have looked at some of the MC texts, so I am reasonably aware of the
>>> different spellings. I have not studied linguistics but have a smattering
>>> of
>>> languages and am pretty good at hearing differences in dialects.
>>> In my opinion the SWF is a disaster! I don't see how it can be fixed, but
>>> I
>>> gather that some believe that it may be possible.  I'm willing to hear
>>> everyone's views - which is why I'm here.
>>> Penny
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