[Spellyans] More on bys/bes words and diacritical marks

Jon Mills j.mills at email.com
Fri Jul 11 09:26:11 IST 2008

Sorry to throw a spanner in the works, Michael. But I feel sure that I've heard people pronouncing the words [rI:z].

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Everson" <everson at evertype.com>
> To: "Standard Cornish discussion list" <spellyans at kernowek.net>
> Subject: Re: [Spellyans] More on bys/bes words and diacritical marks
> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 23:11:28 +0200
> At 16:15 +0000 2008-07-10, Tom Trethewey wrote:
> >  >Well, the fact is that Revived Middle Cornish
> > speakers say [bi:z] (almost all of them even if a
> > "tiny minority" of them manage [bI:z] and Revived
> > Late Cornish speakers say [be:z] (and the same
> > for <dÿdh>~<dëdh>). And everybody says [re:z]
> > which never goes *[ri:z] or *[rI:z].
> >
> > That may well be the case. But it would be foolish to base an 
> > orthography on the speech-habits of a small unstable community of 
> > second-language learners.
> Everybody in the Revival including all of the
> teaching books and dictionaries agrees to say
> <res> as [re:z]. Nobody wants to say it {ri:z],
> so descriptively we are on safer ground accepting
> this. It would be foolish to try to change this.
> The fact is that is an [i:] class of words and an
> [e:] class of words and an [i:]~[e:] class of
> words. The SWF writes the first class with <i>
> and the second class with <e> and the third class
> with <y>~<e>. This causes intolerable ambiguity
> so in KS we write the third class <ÿ>~<ë>.
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Dr. Jon Mills,
School of European Culture and Languages,
University of Kent

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