[Spellyans] Introducing Penny Squire

Ken MacKinnon kenmackinnon at enterprise.net
Fri Jul 11 10:12:31 IST 2008

Yes - but not all of them were let into the room!

- an Ken ken

(Prof) Ken MacKinnon,
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Harry Fraiser" <harryfraiser at googlemail.com>
To: "Standard Cornish discussion list" <spellyans at kernowek.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Spellyans] Introducing Penny Squire

> Surely these Brook and Ansari people wouldn't be allowed to get away
> with such a plot? After all, the linguists were pretty eminent, I
> believe.
> Harry
> On 7/10/08, Penny Squire <pennysquire at ymail.com> wrote:
>> Please bear in mind that for several years I have been to and fro between
>> Cornwall and other places rather a lot, so have been less in touch than I
>> would have preferred.
>> Having said that, I have, when possible, been ploughing through any and
>> every discussion I could access on what was going on (in addition to
>> actually learning the language!) including Cornwall 24, as well as 
>> looking
>> at George, Gendall, Williams and Chaudhri.
>> From what I can gather the Partnership may have been following a 
>> political
>> agenda of " let's fudge something, it means government money" - great for
>> the boys and girls employed by Cornwall Council, not so great for the
>> language.
>> I'm not, however, discounting actual malice ("let's blow the money on
>> conferences, pander to non-speakers, sideline Cornish speakers and 
>> homegrown
>> experts and fly in outside experts, preferably ones that are not too 
>> expert,
>> produce a shambles and really stuff the language") - Eric Brook is, after
>> all, a colleague of Doris Ansari (anyone who doesn't know about La Ansari
>> and her anti-Cornish agenda shouldn't be on this list!) and Bert Biscoe 
>> lost
>> the plot on the Assembly campaign long ago and has obviously failed to 
>> come
>> to any sort of understanding about the language.
>> Having read John Angarrack's latest I wouldn't be surprised if Big
>> Ears Windsor had a hand in it, either.
>> I have read the so-called report the Commission produced and have seen 
>> more
>> valuable documents hanging on the nail in Granny's outside privy. I'm not 
>> a
>> linguist, but one hardly needs to be to see that they were, as my uncle 
>> Tony
>> the builder would say, 'shitty workers'. It's a pity linguists aren't
>> covered by the Trade Descriptions Act.
>> Essentially I have no confidence whatsoever in the process which led to 
>> the
>> SWF. It looks as if it were modelled on government public consultation
>> exercises which are a total sham - the public has its say which is 
>> totally
>> ignored and some back office hack produces a hideous plan which please
>> nobody, doesn't work and costs the taxpayer a bomb to build after going 
>> way
>> over budget.
>> As for the SWF itself - I imaging any linguist with a knowledge of 
>> Brythonic
>> languages would tear it apart.
>> I am not an expert on linguistics - but trying to design  an orthography 
>> to
>> reflect how second language learners and speakers brought up on divergent
>> phonologies mispronounce Cornish has to be the single most crazy 
>> linguistic
>>  idea since whoever it was built the tower of Babel. What mutt dreamt 
>> that
>> one up?
>> Jon, in a previous post you said something to the effect that it was
>> pointless discussing orthography design before agreeing on pronunciation. 
>> Go
>> to the top of the class! I have laboured through the postings on this 
>> list -
>> I think you need to reiterate it - in capitals!
>> As I said in my introduction, I have been learning Cornish using Kernewek
>> Kemmyn. I'd be interested to know how close the Spellyans
>> group is to reaching conclusions on pronunciation, and if, where and why 
>> it
>> differs from KK.
>> I shall be away for ten days or thereabout and will catch up on my 
>> return.
>> Penny
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Jon Mills <j.mills at email.com>
>> To: Standard Cornish discussion list <spellyans at kernowek.net>
>> Sent: Wednesday, 9 July, 2008 8:44:02 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Spellyans] Introducing Penny Squire
>> I'd be interested to hear why you think the SWF is a disaster, Penny.
>> Jon
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Penny Squire"
>> To: spellyans at kernowek.net
>> Subject: [Spellyans] Introducing Penny Squire
>> Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 16:43:08 +0000 (GMT)
>> Hello, I'm Penny Squire and I've been studying Cornish for a while, 
>> partly
>> through KDL using Kemmyn and partly by looking at everything I could lay 
>> my
>> hands on.  Unfortunately I have been in and out of Cornwall a lot over 
>> the
>> past few years, so classes and exams were out, and conversational 
>> experience
>> has been crammed in whenever possible. Hopefully this may change before
>> long.
>> I also have some UC and LC material which I picked up here and there and 
>> I
>> have looked at some of the MC texts, so I am reasonably aware of the
>> different spellings. I have not studied linguistics but have a smattering 
>> of
>> languages and am pretty good at hearing differences in dialects.
>> In my opinion the SWF is a disaster! I don't see how it can be fixed, but 
>> I
>> gather that some believe that it may be possible.  I'm willing to hear
>> everyone's views - which is why I'm here.
>> Penny
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