[Spellyans] Introducing Penny Squire

nicholas williams njawilliams at gmail.com
Fri Jul 11 11:43:29 IST 2008


You know, Ken, that his great-great-grandfather Edward VII subsidised  
Dwelly's Gaelic dictionary.

Nicholas

On 11 Jul 2008, at 10:42, Ken MacKinnon wrote:

> He turned up at the Dingwall Mod in 1991 and got up in the High  
> Street here
> and gave a pretty good speech all in Gaelic.  So although I am no  
> royalist
> myself, full marks for 'going the extra mile', taking his Duke of  
> Rothesay
> and Lord of the Isles titles seriously
>
> - an Ken ken
>
> (Prof) Ken MacKinnon,
> Ivy Cottage, Ferintosh,
> The Black Isle, by Dingwall,
> Ross-shire  IV7 8HX
> Tel: 01349 - 863460
> E-mail: kenmackinnon at enterprise.net
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Harry Fraiser" <harryfraiser at googlemail.com>
> To: "Standard Cornish discussion list" <spellyans at kernowek.net>
> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 5:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [Spellyans] Introducing Penny Squire
>
>
>> Yes, that does seem rather unfair. After all, he has insisted that
>> Cornish be used on the Duchy of Cornwall website!
>>
>> Harry
>>
>> On 7/10/08, nicholas williams <njawilliams at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> And by me. I live in Ireland, not Cornwall, and living as expat  
>>> here I
>>> have
>>> become quite a royalist. I have a high opinion of the Prince of  
>>> Wales/
>>> Duke of Cornwall and
>>> find insults to the royal family deeply offensive.
>>>
>>> Nicholas Williams
>>>
>>> On 10 Jul 2008, at 17:16, Owen Cook wrote:
>>>
>>>> Like Jon, I'm interested in hearing your specific complaints  
>>>> about the
>>>> SWF. I suspect we all have quibbles or reservations about the  
>>>> process
>>>> itself, but do you have any particulars concerning the finished
>>>> project which you feel need to be corrected?
>>>>
>>>> By the bye, ad hominems and personal insults like "mutt" and "big
>>>> ears" are looked askance at by the list administrator.
>>>>
>>>> Oll an gwelha,
>>>> ~~Owen
>>>>
>>>> On 10/07/2008, Penny Squire <pennysquire at ymail.com> rug scrifa:
>>>>>
>>>>> Please bear in mind that for several years I have been to and fro
>>>>> between
>>>>> Cornwall and other places rather a lot, so have been less in touch
>>>>> than I
>>>>> would have preferred.
>>>>>
>>>>> Having said that, I have, when possible, been ploughing through  
>>>>> any
>>>>> and
>>>>> every discussion I could access on what was going on (in  
>>>>> addition to
>>>>> actually learning the language!) including Cornwall 24, as well as
>>>>> looking
>>>>> at George, Gendall, Williams and Chaudhri.
>>>>>
>>>>> From what I can gather the Partnership may have been following a
>>>>> political
>>>>> agenda of " let's fudge something, it means government money" -
>>>>> great for
>>>>> the boys and girls employed by Cornwall Council, not so great  
>>>>> for the
>>>>> language.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not, however, discounting actual malice ("let's blow the  
>>>>> money on
>>>>> conferences, pander to non-speakers, sideline Cornish speakers and
>>>>> homegrown
>>>>> experts and fly in outside experts, preferably ones that are not
>>>>> too expert,
>>>>> produce a shambles and really stuff the language") - Eric Brook  
>>>>> is,
>>>>> after
>>>>> all, a colleague of Doris Ansari (anyone who doesn't know about La
>>>>> Ansari
>>>>> and her anti-Cornish agenda shouldn't be on this list!) and Bert
>>>>> Biscoe lost
>>>>> the plot on the Assembly campaign long ago and has obviously  
>>>>> failed
>>>>> to come
>>>>> to any sort of understanding about the language.
>>>>>
>>>>> Having read John Angarrack's latest I wouldn't be surprised if Big
>>>>> Ears
>>>>> Windsor had a hand in it, either.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have read the so-called report the Commission produced and have
>>>>> seen more
>>>>> valuable documents hanging on the nail in Granny's outside privy.
>>>>> I'm not a
>>>>> linguist, but one hardly needs to be to see that they were, as my
>>>>> uncle Tony
>>>>> the builder would say, 'shitty workers'. It's a pity linguists  
>>>>> aren't
>>>>> covered by the Trade Descriptions Act.
>>>>>
>>>>> Essentially I have no confidence whatsoever in the process which
>>>>> led to the
>>>>> SWF. It looks as if it were modelled on government public
>>>>> consultation
>>>>> exercises which are a total sham - the public has its say which is
>>>>> totally
>>>>> ignored and some back office hack produces a hideous plan which
>>>>> please
>>>>> nobody, doesn't work and costs the taxpayer a bomb to build after
>>>>> going way
>>>>> over budget.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for the SWF itself - I imaging any linguist with a knowledge of
>>>>> Brythonic
>>>>> languages would tear it apart.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am not an expert on linguistics - but trying to design  an
>>>>> orthography to
>>>>> reflect how second language learners and speakers brought up on
>>>>> divergent
>>>>> phonologies mispronounce Cornish has to be the single most crazy
>>>>> linguistic
>>>>> idea since whoever it was built the tower of Babel. What mutt
>>>>> dreamt that
>>>>> one up?
>>>>>
>>>>> Jon, in a previous post you said something to the effect that it  
>>>>> was
>>>>> pointless discussing orthography design before agreeing on
>>>>> pronunciation. Go
>>>>> to the top of the class! I have laboured through the postings on
>>>>> this list -
>>>>> I think you need to reiterate it - in capitals!
>>>>>
>>>>> As I said in my introduction, I have been learning Cornish using
>>>>> Kernewek
>>>>> Kemmyn. I'd be interested to know how close the Spellyans group  
>>>>> is to
>>>>> reaching conclusions on pronunciation, and if, where and why it
>>>>> differs from
>>>>> KK.
>>>>>
>>>>> I shall be away for ten days or thereabout and will catch up on my
>>>>> return.
>>>>>
>>>>> Penny
>>>>
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