[Spellyans] Introducing Penny Squire

Craig Weatherhill weatherhill at freenet.co.uk
Fri Jul 11 12:05:33 IST 2008


On the downside, he also contributed to Ken George's dictionary ("An 
Gerlyver Kres"): Page 2 - "The publication of this book has been 
supported by a donation from H.R.H. the Duke of Cornwall".

Craig


nicholas williams wrote:
> You know, Ken, that his great-great-grandfather Edward VII subsidised  
> Dwelly's Gaelic dictionary.
>
> Nicholas
>
> On 11 Jul 2008, at 10:42, Ken MacKinnon wrote:
>
>   
>> He turned up at the Dingwall Mod in 1991 and got up in the High  
>> Street here
>> and gave a pretty good speech all in Gaelic.  So although I am no  
>> royalist
>> myself, full marks for 'going the extra mile', taking his Duke of  
>> Rothesay
>> and Lord of the Isles titles seriously
>>
>> - an Ken ken
>>
>> (Prof) Ken MacKinnon,
>> Ivy Cottage, Ferintosh,
>> The Black Isle, by Dingwall,
>> Ross-shire  IV7 8HX
>> Tel: 01349 - 863460
>> E-mail: kenmackinnon at enterprise.net
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Harry Fraiser" <harryfraiser at googlemail.com>
>> To: "Standard Cornish discussion list" <spellyans at kernowek.net>
>> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 5:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Spellyans] Introducing Penny Squire
>>
>>
>>     
>>> Yes, that does seem rather unfair. After all, he has insisted that
>>> Cornish be used on the Duchy of Cornwall website!
>>>
>>> Harry
>>>
>>> On 7/10/08, nicholas williams <njawilliams at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>       
>>>> And by me. I live in Ireland, not Cornwall, and living as expat  
>>>> here I
>>>> have
>>>> become quite a royalist. I have a high opinion of the Prince of  
>>>> Wales/
>>>> Duke of Cornwall and
>>>> find insults to the royal family deeply offensive.
>>>>
>>>> Nicholas Williams
>>>>
>>>> On 10 Jul 2008, at 17:16, Owen Cook wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> Like Jon, I'm interested in hearing your specific complaints  
>>>>> about the
>>>>> SWF. I suspect we all have quibbles or reservations about the  
>>>>> process
>>>>> itself, but do you have any particulars concerning the finished
>>>>> project which you feel need to be corrected?
>>>>>
>>>>> By the bye, ad hominems and personal insults like "mutt" and "big
>>>>> ears" are looked askance at by the list administrator.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oll an gwelha,
>>>>> ~~Owen
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/07/2008, Penny Squire <pennysquire at ymail.com> rug scrifa:
>>>>>           
>>>>>> Please bear in mind that for several years I have been to and fro
>>>>>> between
>>>>>> Cornwall and other places rather a lot, so have been less in touch
>>>>>> than I
>>>>>> would have preferred.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Having said that, I have, when possible, been ploughing through  
>>>>>> any
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> every discussion I could access on what was going on (in  
>>>>>> addition to
>>>>>> actually learning the language!) including Cornwall 24, as well as
>>>>>> looking
>>>>>> at George, Gendall, Williams and Chaudhri.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From what I can gather the Partnership may have been following a
>>>>>> political
>>>>>> agenda of " let's fudge something, it means government money" -
>>>>>> great for
>>>>>> the boys and girls employed by Cornwall Council, not so great  
>>>>>> for the
>>>>>> language.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not, however, discounting actual malice ("let's blow the  
>>>>>> money on
>>>>>> conferences, pander to non-speakers, sideline Cornish speakers and
>>>>>> homegrown
>>>>>> experts and fly in outside experts, preferably ones that are not
>>>>>> too expert,
>>>>>> produce a shambles and really stuff the language") - Eric Brook  
>>>>>> is,
>>>>>> after
>>>>>> all, a colleague of Doris Ansari (anyone who doesn't know about La
>>>>>> Ansari
>>>>>> and her anti-Cornish agenda shouldn't be on this list!) and Bert
>>>>>> Biscoe lost
>>>>>> the plot on the Assembly campaign long ago and has obviously  
>>>>>> failed
>>>>>> to come
>>>>>> to any sort of understanding about the language.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Having read John Angarrack's latest I wouldn't be surprised if Big
>>>>>> Ears
>>>>>> Windsor had a hand in it, either.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have read the so-called report the Commission produced and have
>>>>>> seen more
>>>>>> valuable documents hanging on the nail in Granny's outside privy.
>>>>>> I'm not a
>>>>>> linguist, but one hardly needs to be to see that they were, as my
>>>>>> uncle Tony
>>>>>> the builder would say, 'shitty workers'. It's a pity linguists  
>>>>>> aren't
>>>>>> covered by the Trade Descriptions Act.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Essentially I have no confidence whatsoever in the process which
>>>>>> led to the
>>>>>> SWF. It looks as if it were modelled on government public
>>>>>> consultation
>>>>>> exercises which are a total sham - the public has its say which is
>>>>>> totally
>>>>>> ignored and some back office hack produces a hideous plan which
>>>>>> please
>>>>>> nobody, doesn't work and costs the taxpayer a bomb to build after
>>>>>> going way
>>>>>> over budget.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As for the SWF itself - I imaging any linguist with a knowledge of
>>>>>> Brythonic
>>>>>> languages would tear it apart.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am not an expert on linguistics - but trying to design  an
>>>>>> orthography to
>>>>>> reflect how second language learners and speakers brought up on
>>>>>> divergent
>>>>>> phonologies mispronounce Cornish has to be the single most crazy
>>>>>> linguistic
>>>>>> idea since whoever it was built the tower of Babel. What mutt
>>>>>> dreamt that
>>>>>> one up?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jon, in a previous post you said something to the effect that it  
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> pointless discussing orthography design before agreeing on
>>>>>> pronunciation. Go
>>>>>> to the top of the class! I have laboured through the postings on
>>>>>> this list -
>>>>>> I think you need to reiterate it - in capitals!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As I said in my introduction, I have been learning Cornish using
>>>>>> Kernewek
>>>>>> Kemmyn. I'd be interested to know how close the Spellyans group  
>>>>>> is to
>>>>>> reaching conclusions on pronunciation, and if, where and why it
>>>>>> differs from
>>>>>> KK.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I shall be away for ten days or thereabout and will catch up on my
>>>>>> return.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Penny
>>>>>>             
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