[Spellyans] Introducing Penny Squire

nicholas williams njawilliams at gmail.com
Fri Jul 11 12:07:58 IST 2008


He did not understand that KK was controversial.
Unlike Rowan Williams, he did not allow his words to be translated  
into KK.
See the Kesva's Testament Nowydh (if you must—it is dreadful in every  
possible way).

Nicholas
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On 11 Jul 2008, at 12:05, Craig Weatherhill wrote:

> On the downside, he also contributed to Ken George's dictionary ("An
> Gerlyver Kres"): Page 2 - "The publication of this book has been
> supported by a donation from H.R.H. the Duke of Cornwall".
>
> Craig
>
>
> nicholas williams wrote:
>> You know, Ken, that his great-great-grandfather Edward VII subsidised
>> Dwelly's Gaelic dictionary.
>>
>> Nicholas
>>
>> On 11 Jul 2008, at 10:42, Ken MacKinnon wrote:
>>
>>
>>> He turned up at the Dingwall Mod in 1991 and got up in the High
>>> Street here
>>> and gave a pretty good speech all in Gaelic.  So although I am no
>>> royalist
>>> myself, full marks for 'going the extra mile', taking his Duke of
>>> Rothesay
>>> and Lord of the Isles titles seriously
>>>
>>> - an Ken ken
>>>
>>> (Prof) Ken MacKinnon,
>>> Ivy Cottage, Ferintosh,
>>> The Black Isle, by Dingwall,
>>> Ross-shire  IV7 8HX
>>> Tel: 01349 - 863460
>>> E-mail: kenmackinnon at enterprise.net
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Harry Fraiser" <harryfraiser at googlemail.com>
>>> To: "Standard Cornish discussion list" <spellyans at kernowek.net>
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 5:36 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Spellyans] Introducing Penny Squire
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Yes, that does seem rather unfair. After all, he has insisted that
>>>> Cornish be used on the Duchy of Cornwall website!
>>>>
>>>> Harry
>>>>
>>>> On 7/10/08, nicholas williams <njawilliams at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> And by me. I live in Ireland, not Cornwall, and living as expat
>>>>> here I
>>>>> have
>>>>> become quite a royalist. I have a high opinion of the Prince of
>>>>> Wales/
>>>>> Duke of Cornwall and
>>>>> find insults to the royal family deeply offensive.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nicholas Williams
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10 Jul 2008, at 17:16, Owen Cook wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Like Jon, I'm interested in hearing your specific complaints
>>>>>> about the
>>>>>> SWF. I suspect we all have quibbles or reservations about the
>>>>>> process
>>>>>> itself, but do you have any particulars concerning the finished
>>>>>> project which you feel need to be corrected?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> By the bye, ad hominems and personal insults like "mutt" and "big
>>>>>> ears" are looked askance at by the list administrator.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oll an gwelha,
>>>>>> ~~Owen
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/07/2008, Penny Squire <pennysquire at ymail.com> rug scrifa:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please bear in mind that for several years I have been to and  
>>>>>>> fro
>>>>>>> between
>>>>>>> Cornwall and other places rather a lot, so have been less in  
>>>>>>> touch
>>>>>>> than I
>>>>>>> would have preferred.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Having said that, I have, when possible, been ploughing through
>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> every discussion I could access on what was going on (in
>>>>>>> addition to
>>>>>>> actually learning the language!) including Cornwall 24, as  
>>>>>>> well as
>>>>>>> looking
>>>>>>> at George, Gendall, Williams and Chaudhri.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From what I can gather the Partnership may have been following a
>>>>>>> political
>>>>>>> agenda of " let's fudge something, it means government money" -
>>>>>>> great for
>>>>>>> the boys and girls employed by Cornwall Council, not so great
>>>>>>> for the
>>>>>>> language.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not, however, discounting actual malice ("let's blow the
>>>>>>> money on
>>>>>>> conferences, pander to non-speakers, sideline Cornish speakers  
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> homegrown
>>>>>>> experts and fly in outside experts, preferably ones that are not
>>>>>>> too expert,
>>>>>>> produce a shambles and really stuff the language") - Eric Brook
>>>>>>> is,
>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>> all, a colleague of Doris Ansari (anyone who doesn't know  
>>>>>>> about La
>>>>>>> Ansari
>>>>>>> and her anti-Cornish agenda shouldn't be on this list!) and Bert
>>>>>>> Biscoe lost
>>>>>>> the plot on the Assembly campaign long ago and has obviously
>>>>>>> failed
>>>>>>> to come
>>>>>>> to any sort of understanding about the language.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Having read John Angarrack's latest I wouldn't be surprised if  
>>>>>>> Big
>>>>>>> Ears
>>>>>>> Windsor had a hand in it, either.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have read the so-called report the Commission produced and  
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> seen more
>>>>>>> valuable documents hanging on the nail in Granny's outside  
>>>>>>> privy.
>>>>>>> I'm not a
>>>>>>> linguist, but one hardly needs to be to see that they were, as  
>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>> uncle Tony
>>>>>>> the builder would say, 'shitty workers'. It's a pity linguists
>>>>>>> aren't
>>>>>>> covered by the Trade Descriptions Act.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Essentially I have no confidence whatsoever in the process which
>>>>>>> led to the
>>>>>>> SWF. It looks as if it were modelled on government public
>>>>>>> consultation
>>>>>>> exercises which are a total sham - the public has its say  
>>>>>>> which is
>>>>>>> totally
>>>>>>> ignored and some back office hack produces a hideous plan which
>>>>>>> please
>>>>>>> nobody, doesn't work and costs the taxpayer a bomb to build  
>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>> going way
>>>>>>> over budget.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As for the SWF itself - I imaging any linguist with a  
>>>>>>> knowledge of
>>>>>>> Brythonic
>>>>>>> languages would tear it apart.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am not an expert on linguistics - but trying to design  an
>>>>>>> orthography to
>>>>>>> reflect how second language learners and speakers brought up on
>>>>>>> divergent
>>>>>>> phonologies mispronounce Cornish has to be the single most crazy
>>>>>>> linguistic
>>>>>>> idea since whoever it was built the tower of Babel. What mutt
>>>>>>> dreamt that
>>>>>>> one up?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jon, in a previous post you said something to the effect that it
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> pointless discussing orthography design before agreeing on
>>>>>>> pronunciation. Go
>>>>>>> to the top of the class! I have laboured through the postings on
>>>>>>> this list -
>>>>>>> I think you need to reiterate it - in capitals!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As I said in my introduction, I have been learning Cornish using
>>>>>>> Kernewek
>>>>>>> Kemmyn. I'd be interested to know how close the Spellyans group
>>>>>>> is to
>>>>>>> reaching conclusions on pronunciation, and if, where and why it
>>>>>>> differs from
>>>>>>> KK.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I shall be away for ten days or thereabout and will catch up  
>>>>>>> on my
>>>>>>> return.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Penny
>>>>>>>
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