[Spellyans] Introducing Penny Squire

Craig Weatherhill weatherhill at freenet.co.uk
Fri Jul 11 14:01:28 IST 2008


Talking of typesetting - you ought to see what Michael has done to my 
novel "Nautilus".  It's breathtaking!  Can't wait to see the finished item.

Craig


nicholas williams wrote:
> The credit for the appearance of Testament Noweth goes to Michael.
> I am responsible only for the mistakes.
>
> Nicholas
>
>
> On 11 Jul 2008, at 12:27, Craig Weatherhill wrote:
>
>   
>> Unfortunately, Nicholas, I've seen it.  Just like their version of
>> Bewnans Ke, it is the exact opposite of your Testament Noweth which
>> merited the description that one commentator gave to it : "the most
>> beautiful book ever written in Cornish".  I showed your TN to my
>> all-too-frequent JW visitors (when will they accept that I will never,
>> ever, subscribe to any organised religion?), and they went into  
>> raptures
>> about it.
>>
>> Craig
>>
>>
>> nicholas williams wrote:
>>     
>>> He did not understand that KK was controversial.
>>> Unlike Rowan Williams, he did not allow his words to be translated
>>> into KK.
>>> See the Kesva's Testament Nowydh (if you must—it is dreadful in every
>>> possible way).
>>>
>>> Nicholas
>>> -----------
>>> On 11 Jul 2008, at 12:05, Craig Weatherhill wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>>> On the downside, he also contributed to Ken George's dictionary ("An
>>>> Gerlyver Kres"): Page 2 - "The publication of this book has been
>>>> supported by a donation from H.R.H. the Duke of Cornwall".
>>>>
>>>> Craig
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> nicholas williams wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> You know, Ken, that his great-great-grandfather Edward VII  
>>>>> subsidised
>>>>> Dwelly's Gaelic dictionary.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nicholas
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11 Jul 2008, at 10:42, Ken MacKinnon wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>>>> He turned up at the Dingwall Mod in 1991 and got up in the High
>>>>>> Street here
>>>>>> and gave a pretty good speech all in Gaelic.  So although I am no
>>>>>> royalist
>>>>>> myself, full marks for 'going the extra mile', taking his Duke of
>>>>>> Rothesay
>>>>>> and Lord of the Isles titles seriously
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - an Ken ken
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (Prof) Ken MacKinnon,
>>>>>> Ivy Cottage, Ferintosh,
>>>>>> The Black Isle, by Dingwall,
>>>>>> Ross-shire  IV7 8HX
>>>>>> Tel: 01349 - 863460
>>>>>> E-mail: kenmackinnon at enterprise.net
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Harry Fraiser" <harryfraiser at googlemail.com>
>>>>>> To: "Standard Cornish discussion list" <spellyans at kernowek.net>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 5:36 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Spellyans] Introducing Penny Squire
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> Yes, that does seem rather unfair. After all, he has insisted  
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> Cornish be used on the Duchy of Cornwall website!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Harry
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 7/10/08, nicholas williams <njawilliams at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>> And by me. I live in Ireland, not Cornwall, and living as expat
>>>>>>>> here I
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> become quite a royalist. I have a high opinion of the Prince of
>>>>>>>> Wales/
>>>>>>>> Duke of Cornwall and
>>>>>>>> find insults to the royal family deeply offensive.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nicholas Williams
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 10 Jul 2008, at 17:16, Owen Cook wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>> Like Jon, I'm interested in hearing your specific complaints
>>>>>>>>> about the
>>>>>>>>> SWF. I suspect we all have quibbles or reservations about the
>>>>>>>>> process
>>>>>>>>> itself, but do you have any particulars concerning the finished
>>>>>>>>> project which you feel need to be corrected?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> By the bye, ad hominems and personal insults like "mutt" and  
>>>>>>>>> "big
>>>>>>>>> ears" are looked askance at by the list administrator.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Oll an gwelha,
>>>>>>>>> ~~Owen
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 10/07/2008, Penny Squire <pennysquire at ymail.com> rug scrifa:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>> Please bear in mind that for several years I have been to and
>>>>>>>>>> fro
>>>>>>>>>> between
>>>>>>>>>> Cornwall and other places rather a lot, so have been less in
>>>>>>>>>> touch
>>>>>>>>>> than I
>>>>>>>>>> would have preferred.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Having said that, I have, when possible, been ploughing  
>>>>>>>>>> through
>>>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> every discussion I could access on what was going on (in
>>>>>>>>>> addition to
>>>>>>>>>> actually learning the language!) including Cornwall 24, as
>>>>>>>>>> well as
>>>>>>>>>> looking
>>>>>>>>>> at George, Gendall, Williams and Chaudhri.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> From what I can gather the Partnership may have been  
>>>>>>>>>> following a
>>>>>>>>>> political
>>>>>>>>>> agenda of " let's fudge something, it means government  
>>>>>>>>>> money" -
>>>>>>>>>> great for
>>>>>>>>>> the boys and girls employed by Cornwall Council, not so great
>>>>>>>>>> for the
>>>>>>>>>> language.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm not, however, discounting actual malice ("let's blow the
>>>>>>>>>> money on
>>>>>>>>>> conferences, pander to non-speakers, sideline Cornish speakers
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> homegrown
>>>>>>>>>> experts and fly in outside experts, preferably ones that are  
>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>> too expert,
>>>>>>>>>> produce a shambles and really stuff the language") - Eric  
>>>>>>>>>> Brook
>>>>>>>>>> is,
>>>>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>>>>> all, a colleague of Doris Ansari (anyone who doesn't know
>>>>>>>>>> about La
>>>>>>>>>> Ansari
>>>>>>>>>> and her anti-Cornish agenda shouldn't be on this list!) and  
>>>>>>>>>> Bert
>>>>>>>>>> Biscoe lost
>>>>>>>>>> the plot on the Assembly campaign long ago and has obviously
>>>>>>>>>> failed
>>>>>>>>>> to come
>>>>>>>>>> to any sort of understanding about the language.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Having read John Angarrack's latest I wouldn't be surprised if
>>>>>>>>>> Big
>>>>>>>>>> Ears
>>>>>>>>>> Windsor had a hand in it, either.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have read the so-called report the Commission produced and
>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>> seen more
>>>>>>>>>> valuable documents hanging on the nail in Granny's outside
>>>>>>>>>> privy.
>>>>>>>>>> I'm not a
>>>>>>>>>> linguist, but one hardly needs to be to see that they were, as
>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>> uncle Tony
>>>>>>>>>> the builder would say, 'shitty workers'. It's a pity linguists
>>>>>>>>>> aren't
>>>>>>>>>> covered by the Trade Descriptions Act.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Essentially I have no confidence whatsoever in the process  
>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>> led to the
>>>>>>>>>> SWF. It looks as if it were modelled on government public
>>>>>>>>>> consultation
>>>>>>>>>> exercises which are a total sham - the public has its say
>>>>>>>>>> which is
>>>>>>>>>> totally
>>>>>>>>>> ignored and some back office hack produces a hideous plan  
>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>> please
>>>>>>>>>> nobody, doesn't work and costs the taxpayer a bomb to build
>>>>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>>>>> going way
>>>>>>>>>> over budget.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As for the SWF itself - I imaging any linguist with a
>>>>>>>>>> knowledge of
>>>>>>>>>> Brythonic
>>>>>>>>>> languages would tear it apart.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I am not an expert on linguistics - but trying to design  an
>>>>>>>>>> orthography to
>>>>>>>>>> reflect how second language learners and speakers brought up  
>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>> divergent
>>>>>>>>>> phonologies mispronounce Cornish has to be the single most  
>>>>>>>>>> crazy
>>>>>>>>>> linguistic
>>>>>>>>>> idea since whoever it was built the tower of Babel. What mutt
>>>>>>>>>> dreamt that
>>>>>>>>>> one up?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jon, in a previous post you said something to the effect  
>>>>>>>>>> that it
>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>> pointless discussing orthography design before agreeing on
>>>>>>>>>> pronunciation. Go
>>>>>>>>>> to the top of the class! I have laboured through the  
>>>>>>>>>> postings on
>>>>>>>>>> this list -
>>>>>>>>>> I think you need to reiterate it - in capitals!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As I said in my introduction, I have been learning Cornish  
>>>>>>>>>> using
>>>>>>>>>> Kernewek
>>>>>>>>>> Kemmyn. I'd be interested to know how close the Spellyans  
>>>>>>>>>> group
>>>>>>>>>> is to
>>>>>>>>>> reaching conclusions on pronunciation, and if, where and why  
>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>> differs from
>>>>>>>>>> KK.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I shall be away for ten days or thereabout and will catch up
>>>>>>>>>> on my
>>>>>>>>>> return.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Penny
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                     
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