[Spellyans] More on bys/bes words and diacritical marks

Craig Weatherhill weatherhill at freenet.co.uk
Sat Jul 12 08:47:59 IST 2008


Michael,

Were you aware that the mother of the Bronte sisters, Maria Branwell, 
was a Penzance woman (there is a plaque on her former house in Chapel 
Street, just a few doors up from the parish church)?  So, a strong 
Cornish connection exists.

Craig


Michael Everson wrote:
> At 22:39 +0000 2008-07-11, Mary Williams wrote:
>   
>> I wonder what this list is really for. Michael 
>> asks for opinions, but when anyone disagrees 
>> with his own view he tells them they're wrong. 
>> Then he says the matter is closed and it has to 
>> be how he has decided. Sorry, but what's the 
>> point of asking people to take the time to make 
>> helpful suggestions and then ignoring them?
>>     
>
> Someone was complaining that we were talking round in circles recently.
>
> (1) We know we have an [e:]-class of words which have [e:] in both RMC and RLC.
>
> (2) We know we have an [i:]-class of words which have [i:] in both RMC and RLC
>
> (3) We know we have an [I] class of short 
> unstressed words which have [I] in both RMC and 
> RLC.
>
> (4). We know we have an [i:]~[e:]-class of words 
> which have [i:] in RMC and [e:] in RLC. (KK 
> theory says it is [I:]~[e:] but few if anyone 
> actually achieves a distinction between [I:] and 
> [i:]. Some KK users use [I] here but then they 
> are getting the vowel length wrong anyway.)
>
> SWF gives us <i> for (1), <e> for (2), <y> for 
> (3), and <y>~<e> for (4). That's there. Done and 
> dusted. It will be used by the Council and in 
> schools.
>
> A solution which treads lightly on the SWF changes (4) to <ÿ>~<ë>.
>
> Other solutions, like going back to the umbrella 
> graphs <ei> or <ey>, simply take us further away 
> from the SWF. I don't believe that that is a good 
> idea; it will make the books we wish to publish 
> less accessible to learners of the SWF, and it 
> will give fuel to those who want to point out 
> what a failure the SWF is (since they want KK 
> "restored" to its former "position", it seems).
>
> We have also recently seen some people attempt to 
> say that there are not four clesses as described 
> above, but I do not think that this is credible.
>
> On this matter then, since I am the editor of the 
> KS description and grammar, I judge that we've 
> got enough information on this point to take a 
> decision and close the discussion on this 
> particular point.
>
> Did you see another alternative to taking a decision on this partcular point?
>
>   
>> By the way, Craig appears to have just 
>> demonstrated that doing accents isn't a simple 
>> matter for us mere mortals.
>>     
>
> And yet millions of Europeans manage it every 
> day. (As an aside, yesterday in a bookstore here 
> in Budapest I notice a book by Charlotte Brontë.)
>   





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