[Spellyans] More on bys/bes words and diacritical marks

A. J. Trim ajtrim at msn.com
Sat Jul 12 16:51:44 IST 2008


Thanks, Christian.

I think that, finally, you have convinced me that <ÿ> and <ë> are the way to 
go.
It does appear to be the best solution under the circumstances.

We must ensure that people know how to type them though, as clearly that 
cannot be assumed.


Regards,

Andrew J. Trim



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From: "Christian Semmens" <christian.semmens at gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 2:40 PM
To: "Standard Cornish discussion list" <spellyans at kernowek.net>
Subject: Re: [Spellyans] More on bys/bes words and diacritical marks

> I fail to see your problem here Mary. Other than your obvious trouble
> with using diacritical marks. A problem for users of English language
> who have no idea of how to set their comuters up to use these. I
> suppose some instructions on doing this would be a good thing to have
> displayed somewhere?
>
> It is clear these words need highlighting, because they have both an
> optional spelling and an optional pronunciation.
> As we are attempting to make good the errors in the SWF we have to
> take into account the SWF as it currently exists.
>
> I was not a fan of the diaresis, but I was not overly happy with the
> aesthetics of the <ei> solution that the KK faction threw out anyway.
> However that put me in a difficult position regarding this group of
> words. I think, after a little reflection, that as <ei> is ruled out,
> the diaresis is quite an elegant solution to the problem.
>
> I can also see it being regularly dropped from normal usage by more
> competent learners and fluent speakers in everyday communications, but
> for learners this is a really useful tool to aid their learning.
>
> It does nothing to the sounds of the words, merely shows where there
> is a choice of spelling and pronunciation. I support this.
>
> Christian
>
> 2008/7/11 Mary Williams <marywilliams230 at yahoo.co.uk>:
>> I wonder what this list is really for. Michael asks for opinions, but 
>> when
>> anyone disagrees with his own view he tells them they're wrong. Then he 
>> says
>> the matter is closed and it has to be how he has decided. Sorry, but 
>> what's
>> the point of asking people to take the time to make helpful suggestions 
>> and
>> then ignoring them?
>>
>> By the way, Craig appears to have just demonstrated that doing accents 
>> isn't
>> a simple matter for us mere mortals.
>>
>> Mary
>>
>> --- On Fri, 11/7/08, Michael Everson <everson at evertype..com> wrote:
>>
>> From: Michael Everson <everson at evertype.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Spellyans] More on bys/bes words and diacritical marks
>> To: "Standard Cornish discussion list" <spellyans at kernowek.net>
>> Date: Friday, 11 July, 2008, 9:22 PM
>>
>> At 09:34 +0000 2008-07-11, Tom Trethewey wrote:
>>
>>>I agree that there are three "classes of words"
>>>here.  I do not agree with the suggested
>>>pronunciations.
>>
>> Evidently not.
>>
>>>It would be much simpler to write the third class with <y>.
>>
>> People who say [e:] do not believe that <y> is an
>> acceptable graph for this. We proposed <ei> as an
>> acceptable graph to us. That wasn't acceptable to
>> the KK representatives. We have ended up with
>> some words
>>  in <e>, some words in <y>, and a class
>> of words in <e>~<y>, and KS will mark this last
>> class as <ë>~<ÿ> because the ambiguity is
>> intolerable.
>> --
>> Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com
>>
>>
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