[Spellyans] More on bys/bes words and diacritical marks

Craig Weatherhill weatherhill at freenet.co.uk
Sat Jul 12 17:37:52 IST 2008


Many thanks for that, Nicholas - I have wondered for ages where the name 
Bronte came from (it shows that Ian Fleming got it wrong in "On her 
Majesty's Secret Service", where Bond, posing as a herald, tries to get 
round Fraulein Irma Bunt by linking her surname to the Brontes).

Craig


nicholas williams wrote:
> The Brontë sister's on their father's side were of the family of O  
> Pronntaigh from SE Ulster.
>
>
> On 12 Jul 2008, at 08:47, Craig Weatherhill wrote:
>
>   
>> Michael,
>>
>> Were you aware that the mother of the Bronte sisters, Maria Branwell,
>> was a Penzance woman (there is a plaque on her former house in Chapel
>> Street, just a few doors up from the parish church)?  So, a strong
>> Cornish connection exists.
>>
>> Craig
>>
>>
>> Michael Everson wrote:
>>     
>>> At 22:39 +0000 2008-07-11, Mary Williams wrote:
>>>
>>>       
>>>> I wonder what this list is really for. Michael
>>>> asks for opinions, but when anyone disagrees
>>>> with his own view he tells them they're wrong.
>>>> Then he says the matter is closed and it has to
>>>> be how he has decided. Sorry, but what's the
>>>> point of asking people to take the time to make
>>>> helpful suggestions and then ignoring them?
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> Someone was complaining that we were talking round in circles  
>>> recently.
>>>
>>> (1) We know we have an [e:]-class of words which have [e:] in both  
>>> RMC and RLC.
>>>
>>> (2) We know we have an [i:]-class of words which have [i:] in both  
>>> RMC and RLC
>>>
>>> (3) We know we have an [I] class of short
>>> unstressed words which have [I] in both RMC and
>>> RLC.
>>>
>>> (4). We know we have an [i:]~[e:]-class of words
>>> which have [i:] in RMC and [e:] in RLC. (KK
>>> theory says it is [I:]~[e:] but few if anyone
>>> actually achieves a distinction between [I:] and
>>> [i:]. Some KK users use [I] here but then they
>>> are getting the vowel length wrong anyway.)
>>>
>>> SWF gives us <i> for (1), <e> for (2), <y> for
>>> (3), and <y>~<e> for (4). That's there. Done and
>>> dusted. It will be used by the Council and in
>>> schools.
>>>
>>> A solution which treads lightly on the SWF changes (4) to <ÿ>~<ë>.
>>>
>>> Other solutions, like going back to the umbrella
>>> graphs <ei> or <ey>, simply take us further away
>>> from the SWF. I don't believe that that is a good
>>> idea; it will make the books we wish to publish
>>> less accessible to learners of the SWF, and it
>>> will give fuel to those who want to point out
>>> what a failure the SWF is (since they want KK
>>> "restored" to its former "position", it seems).
>>>
>>> We have also recently seen some people attempt to
>>> say that there are not four clesses as described
>>> above, but I do not think that this is credible.
>>>
>>> On this matter then, since I am the editor of the
>>> KS description and grammar, I judge that we've
>>> got enough information on this point to take a
>>> decision and close the discussion on this
>>> particular point.
>>>
>>> Did you see another alternative to taking a decision on this  
>>> partcular point?
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>>> By the way, Craig appears to have just
>>>> demonstrated that doing accents isn't a simple
>>>> matter for us mere mortals.
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> And yet millions of Europeans manage it every
>>> day. (As an aside, yesterday in a bookstore here
>>> in Budapest I notice a book by Charlotte Brontë.)
>>>
>>>       
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