[Spellyans] More on bys/bes words and diacritical marks

Ken MacKinnon kenmackinnon at enterprise.net
Mon Jul 14 09:14:08 IST 2008


So - a good case (on both sides) for reclaiming the Bronte oeuvre into the 
corpus of Anglo-Celtic literature!

- an Ken ken

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "nicholas williams" <njawilliams at gmail.com>
To: "Standard Cornish discussion list" <spellyans at kernowek.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Spellyans] More on bys/bes words and diacritical marks


The Brontë sister's on their father's side were of the family of O
Pronntaigh from SE Ulster.


On 12 Jul 2008, at 08:47, Craig Weatherhill wrote:

> Michael,
>
> Were you aware that the mother of the Bronte sisters, Maria Branwell,
> was a Penzance woman (there is a plaque on her former house in Chapel
> Street, just a few doors up from the parish church)?  So, a strong
> Cornish connection exists.
>
> Craig
>
>
> Michael Everson wrote:
>> At 22:39 +0000 2008-07-11, Mary Williams wrote:
>>
>>> I wonder what this list is really for. Michael
>>> asks for opinions, but when anyone disagrees
>>> with his own view he tells them they're wrong.
>>> Then he says the matter is closed and it has to
>>> be how he has decided. Sorry, but what's the
>>> point of asking people to take the time to make
>>> helpful suggestions and then ignoring them?
>>>
>>
>> Someone was complaining that we were talking round in circles
>> recently.
>>
>> (1) We know we have an [e:]-class of words which have [e:] in both
>> RMC and RLC.
>>
>> (2) We know we have an [i:]-class of words which have [i:] in both
>> RMC and RLC
>>
>> (3) We know we have an [I] class of short
>> unstressed words which have [I] in both RMC and
>> RLC.
>>
>> (4). We know we have an [i:]~[e:]-class of words
>> which have [i:] in RMC and [e:] in RLC. (KK
>> theory says it is [I:]~[e:] but few if anyone
>> actually achieves a distinction between [I:] and
>> [i:]. Some KK users use [I] here but then they
>> are getting the vowel length wrong anyway.)
>>
>> SWF gives us <i> for (1), <e> for (2), <y> for
>> (3), and <y>~<e> for (4). That's there. Done and
>> dusted. It will be used by the Council and in
>> schools.
>>
>> A solution which treads lightly on the SWF changes (4) to <ÿ>~<ë>.
>>
>> Other solutions, like going back to the umbrella
>> graphs <ei> or <ey>, simply take us further away
>> from the SWF. I don't believe that that is a good
>> idea; it will make the books we wish to publish
>> less accessible to learners of the SWF, and it
>> will give fuel to those who want to point out
>> what a failure the SWF is (since they want KK
>> "restored" to its former "position", it seems).
>>
>> We have also recently seen some people attempt to
>> say that there are not four clesses as described
>> above, but I do not think that this is credible.
>>
>> On this matter then, since I am the editor of the
>> KS description and grammar, I judge that we've
>> got enough information on this point to take a
>> decision and close the discussion on this
>> particular point.
>>
>> Did you see another alternative to taking a decision on this
>> partcular point?
>>
>>
>>> By the way, Craig appears to have just
>>> demonstrated that doing accents isn't a simple
>>> matter for us mere mortals.
>>>
>>
>> And yet millions of Europeans manage it every
>> day. (As an aside, yesterday in a bookstore here
>> in Budapest I notice a book by Charlotte Brontë.)
>>
>
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