[Spellyans] More on bys/bes words and diacritical marks

Harry Fraiser harryfraiser at googlemail.com
Sat Jul 19 19:08:02 IST 2008

Egregious thanks. It's all somewhat perplexing.


On 7/19/08, Eddie Climo <eddie_climo at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> 'Explanatory epithet' (hopefully not too ad hominem) re 'new
> personage' (Jings! Do you really talk like that?) coming up, as per
> request:
> Keith Bailey is one of the more polemical, less rational, supporters
> of Kernewek Kemyn. With two (science) degrees under his belt, he
> appears to be living proof of the observation made by George Savile,
> 1st Marquis of Halifax (1633-1695) that,
> "The vanity of teaching [i.e. 'being taught'] doth oft tempt a man to
> forget he is a blockhead."
> He has been a frequent poster on such online Cornish fora as
> Cornwall24 and CornishOrthography, under various pseudonyms including
> 'morvran', 'mongvras' and 'howlsedhes services'. If you fancy a wee
> daunder along the lunatic fringe of past battlefields of the Cornish
> Revival, check out the postings by these pseudonyms (and throw in
> 'ryzvel' and 'bardh' for good measure) in the archives at:
> http://www.cornwall24.co.uk/module-pnForum-viewforum-forum-9.htm
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cornishorthography/
> To put Michael's remark in context, both the Kernowak list and this
> one, which supersedes it, ask people to register in their own names,
> so as to avoid the sort of flaming and ad hominem abuse so often seen
> on anonymous fora like the 2 mentioned above.
> Obviously, there is no way of checking that someone on the Web is
> truly who they say they are; clearly, "Jean Smith of Liskeard" (who
> has "always wanted to learn Cornish, but never quite gotten round to
> it" -- which is, of course, why no-one within the Revival would ever
> have heard of her/him/it) could actually be, say, Doktor Mengele (or
> Keith Bailey) in drag.
> A trawl through the archives of the Kernowak list will show that,
> while most participants were genuinely interested in the development
> of Kernowak Standard, a few seemed to be there solely as agents
> provocateurs. Their intent seemed to be to spy out what the
> 'enemy' (i.e. those who reject KK) were up to, and to try and stir up
> factional dissent between, for instance, the members who variously
> favoured UC, UCR, RLC and KK. Those few who persistently breached the
> rules of courtesy were warned by the Moderator, and then ejected.
> On this new 'Spellyans' list, most contributors likewise seem to have
> a genuine interest in the attempt to develop a better form of KS or
> the SWF. But, yet again, it appears that one or two are here solely
> as agents provocateurs, who wish to sow the seeds of dissent between.
> say, the users of Middle Cornish and those of Late Cornish.This tired
> old 'divide and conquer' tactic has been attempted repeatedly, but
> unsuccessfully, over the last couple of decades by the Kesva and the
> Kemyn hardkore, and we're still seeing it on this list.
> While one may not know who 'Jean Smith' truly is, from the tune s/he
> sings and dances to, one knows *what* she is. To use a different
> metaphor, a muck-raker can hardly avoid smelling of muck, eh?
> It would appear Michael might have been querying the bona fides of
> 'Mary Williams'.
> yn lel,
> Eddie Foirbeis Climo
> On 19 Jul 2008, at 14:39, Harry Fraiser wrote:
>> Who is Keith Bailey? Would it be possible, for the benefit of us
>> exiles, to attach some explanatory epithet whenever introducing a new
>> personage?
>> Harry
>> On 7/19/08, Michael Everson <everson at evertype.com> wrote:
>>> At 23:15 +0000 2008-07-18, Mary Williams wrote:
>>>> Good question. They must be a secret society. Or just maybe
>>>> someone's been pulling Michael's leg. But my point was really if
>>>> they don't turn up for anything, don't involve themselves with
>>>> promoting the language, and especially don't seem to write anything,
>>>> why does the 'official' spelling matter to them? If all they do is
>>>> in Cornish is shoo out the cat?
>>> My goodness, Mary, but don't YOU sound like Keith Bailey.

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