[Spellyans] mes, res, bys, bys/bes
A. J. Trim
ajtrim at msn.com
Thu Jul 24 01:50:18 IST 2008
Michael Everson quoted and wrote:
"At 09:40 +0200 2008-07-23, Daniel Prohaska wrote:
>I would like to hear everyone's opinions on the
>following idea for redistributing <y> and <i> in
>the SWF. I would write <i> where bother Late and
>Middle Cornish have /i/ and /i:/, and write <y>
>~ <e> (in dictionaries <ÿ> ~ <ë>) where Middle
>Cornish has /I/ and /I:/, but Late Cornish has
>/e/ and /e:/.
I can't see how this would work. In the first
place, in stressed syllables, we have [i:] words
(like <mis> and we have [e:] words (like <res>
and we have [I] words like <bys>. No problem
here: we write <i> and <e> and <y> for these. We
also have in stressed syllables words [i:] and
[e:] alternate; no problem here: we write <ÿ> and
So Michael would write:
mis, res, bys, bÿs/bës.
The vowels are all differentiated but we need to use a diacritic that SWF folks apparently won't accept.
We need to ask them again, as we have identified this to be the best way to go.
Whereas the current SWF writes:
mis, res, bys, bys/bes.
Here there are no diacritics. However, <y> is short in bys whilst the <y> in bys/bes is long.
Whereas the SWF should logically write:
mis, res, bys, bis/bes.
This is because the <i> in bis is long and the rule is that <i> is regularly long. However, this was dismissed earlier on this forum as "too great a change" to the SWF, and you cannot then distinguish mis type words from bis/bes type words.
Whereas Dan would write:
mis, res, bis, bys/bes.
Here there are no diacritics (except in dictionaries). It would be easy to change all <y> to <e> if desired (but not visa versa). However the <i> in mis is long whilst the <i> in bis is short. We would therefore need to distinguish these in some other way.
We could, of course, mark the long vowel with a diacritical mark, e.g. mís & bis.
However, if <i> is to be regularly long before <s> then a second option would be better, i.e. mis & bìs. This gives my suggestion:
mis, res, bìs, bys/bes
Would the SWF folks accept <ì> or would this be seen as just the same thing as using <ÿ>/<ë> in the other type of words?
If no diacritics at all are allowed, we need to respell the short vowel or respell the following consonant. I cannot think of a suitable respelling for short <i> (other than <y>) so we need to respell the following consonant. We could write mis & biz, with the rule that <i> is short before <z>. This gives my second suggestion:
mis, res, biz, bys/bes.
Unfortunately, there would be rather a lot of short <i> to take care of in these sorts of ways. We might therefore be better off respelling the mis type words instead. Long <i> could be re-spelt <ij> for example, with the rule that <i> is short and <ij> is long. This gives my third suggestion:
mijs, res, bis, bys/bes.
Andrew J. Trim
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