[Spellyans] mes, res, bys, bys/bes

nicholas williams njawilliams at gmail.com
Thu Jul 24 10:11:34 IST 2008


<ij> is quite common in the texts but I can find no example of its use
in a stressed monosyllable. If the AHG wouldn't accept <beis> I think
the chances of their accepting <mijs> would be very slight.

Nicholas
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On 24 Jul 2008, at 01:50, A. J. Trim wrote:

> Michael Everson quoted and wrote:
>
> “At 09:40 +0200 2008-07-23, Daniel Prohaska wrote:
> >I would like to hear everyone's opinions on the
> >following idea for redistributing <y> and <i> in
> >the SWF. I would write <i> where bother Late and
> >Middle Cornish have /i/ and /i:/, and write <y>
> >~ <e> (in dictionaries <ÿ> ~ <ë>) where Middle
> >Cornish has /I/ and /I:/, but Late Cornish has
> >/e/ and /e:/.
>
> I can't see how this would work. In the first
> place, in stressed syllables, we have [i:] words
> (like <mis> and we have [e:] words (like <res>
> and we have [I] words like <bys>. No problem
> here: we write <i> and <e> and <y> for these. We
> also have in stressed syllables words [i:] and
> [e:] alternate; no problem here: we write <ÿ> and
> <ë> regularly.
>
>>
> So Michael would write:
>
> mis, res, bys, bÿs/bës.
>
> The vowels are all differentiated but we need to use a diacritic  
> that SWF folks apparently won’t accept.
>
> We need to ask them again, as we have identified this to be the best  
> way to go.
>
>
>
> Whereas the current SWF writes:
>
> mis, res, bys, bys/bes.
>
> Here there are no diacritics. However, <y> is short in bys whilst  
> the <y> in bys/bes is long.
>
>
>
> Whereas the SWF should logically write:
>
> mis, res, bys, bis/bes.
>
> This is because the <i> in bis is long and the rule is that <i> is  
> regularly long. However, this was dismissed earlier on this forum as  
> “too great a change” to the SWF, and you cannot then distinguish mis  
> type words from bis/bes type words.
>
>
>
> Whereas Dan would write:
>
> mis, res, bis, bys/bes.
>
> Here there are no diacritics (except in dictionaries). It would be  
> easy to change all <y> to <e> if desired (but not visa versa).  
> However the <i> in mis is long whilst the <i> in bis is short. We  
> would therefore need to distinguish these in some other way.
>
> We could, of course, mark the long vowel with a diacritical mark,  
> e.g. mís & bis.
>
> However, if <i> is to be regularly long before <s> then a second  
> option would be better, i.e. mis & bìs. This gives my suggestion:
>
> mis, res, bìs, bys/bes
>
>
>
> Would the SWF folks accept <ì> or would this be seen as just the  
> same thing as using <ÿ>/<ë> in the other type of words?
>
> If no diacritics at all are allowed, we need to respell the short  
> vowel or respell the following consonant. I cannot think of a  
> suitable respelling for short <i> (other than <y>) so we need to  
> respell the following consonant. We could write mis & biz, with the  
> rule that <i> is short before <z>. This gives my second suggestion:
>
> mis, res, biz, bys/bes.
>
>
>
> Unfortunately, there would be rather a lot of short <i> to take care  
> of in these sorts of ways. We might therefore be better off  
> respelling the mis type words instead. Long <i> could be re-spelt  
> <ij> for example, with the rule that <i> is short and <ij> is long.  
> This gives my third suggestion:
>
> mijs, res, bis, bys/bes.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Andrew J. Trim
>
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