[Spellyans] au

Craig Weatherhill weatherhill at freenet.co.uk
Thu Jul 24 14:29:20 IST 2008

I hadn't heard of Gresham's Law, Ken.  Sod's Law, yes - it happens to me 
so often that I have become convinced that I'm the sod it's named after.


Ken MacKinnon wrote:
> Most interested in your revison of place-names list, Craig.   I would be 
> very keen to receive this when it is ready.
> I was presented with a full set of the Kesva placenames booklets when I did 
> my 2000 study.   I could immediately see that many of them were 
> unsatisfactory on all sorts of grounds - and that this represented 
> essentially an amateur approach.   I have always felt that the failure to 
> publish Gover's placenames book was a considerable failing on the part of 
> the EPNS.  When Oliver retired I said I hoped he would get this published as 
> priority.  He siad he wanted to revise it as further scholarship had 
> overtaken some of Gover's work.  However we still await this opus.  I can 
> imagine that Oliver is beavering away - but you can beaver away for ever on 
> that sort of thing and submerge without trace beneath the detail,   never to 
> emerge with the finished product.  I very much hope that your revised list 
> will see early publication.  Otherwise it's Gresham's Law: bad money drives 
> out good.
> I would hope very much as a priority that a commission for Cornish 
> placenames might be constituted as an ealy priority of developments now the 
> SWF has been announced.    If it is, I very much trust that it will comprise 
> actual professional experts and persons with actual track record in the 
> field.
> I feel that your application for Menhyr as a bardic name was rightly turned 
> down - but for the wrong reason.   A menhyr is an artefact.   Craig refers 
> to a natural and conspicuous stone feature.   It is Creag in Gaelic and is 
> feminine in gender - and so is its derivation carraig.   As is also its 
> Cornish cognate carrek.  There is of course clegar - which Nicholas gives as 
> feminine but Nance as masculine.   You may have had a lucky escape.
> gorhemmynadow - Ken
> (Prof) Ken MacKinnon,
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Craig Weatherhill" <weatherhill at freenet.co.uk>
> To: "Standard Cornish discussion list" <spellyans at kernowek.net>
> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 9:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [Spellyans] au
>> In their booklet on place-name recommendations, the Kesva tended to
>> replace <au> with <ow>, so we had "Mownan", "Mowgan", "Lanvowsedh" for
>> what was traditionally Maunan, Maugan and Lanvausa (St Mawes).  Then
>> they went and replaced <ew> with <ow> in the name Trenewan which,
>> historically, has been Trenewien 1207; Trenywyan 1310; Trenywyen 1422;
>> Trenewyen 1424; Trenewen c. 1523 (presumably tre + personal name).  One
>> wonders why they did not recommend Trenywyen in accordance with their
>> own system, and which would have found an historical match from 1422.
>> The SWF system would now have <o> for KK <ow>, so we would be looking at
>> Monan, Mogan and Lanvosa/Lanvosedh (admittedly, for Mawgan-in-Meneage,
>> we do have the spelling Pluvogan), which is why I advocate the
>> restoration of <au>, and am doing so in my place-name recommendation
>> document.
>> Speaking of which, do those to whom I sent the provisional list of 3,400
>> toponyms, have any comments?  If so, could I have them ASAP, if not
>> sooner?  Grassa dhewgh.
>> Craig
>> Michael Everson wrote:
>>> At 07:45 +0100 2008-07-24, Ken MacKinnon wrote:
>>>> Maybe because Austria is an anglicisation of Oesterreich from
>>>> Germnan Ost, ostern.  = east
>>> The English translation is "Eastric" or possibly "Eastreach". :-)
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