[Spellyans] reDistribution of <i> and <y>

A. J. Trim ajtrim at msn.com
Thu Jul 24 16:10:44 IST 2008


Yes. This looks good.
It appears to minimise the diacritical marks. I like that.

By the way, gwiryoneth has been spelt two different ways. Which is right and 
why?


Regards,

Andrew J. Trim

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Owen Cook" <owen.e.cook at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 1:41 PM
To: "Standard Cornish discussion list" <spellyans at kernowek.net>
Subject: Re: [Spellyans] reDistribution of <i> and <y>

> I'm not sure I understand all of its implications, but thinking it
> over, Dan's proposal seems like a pretty decent idea. Does KS really
> need <y> as a vowel? I think no, except in final position, and as a
> Middle Cornish analogue to Late <e>. We can also have it in unstressed
> closed syllables -- but here, though, I think we should privilege
> morphological alternation (i.e. use <y> where this alternates with <e>
> per vocalic alternation, but <i> where it remains stable).
>
> It seems to me that Dan's idea basically just means, in stressed
> syllables, that we use <ì> or <i> for short <y>, thus giving <bìs>
> 'until', <gwidn~gwinn> 'white', <brick> 'brick', etc. No disaster from
> my point of view. (It would, however, mean shelving <in> for 'in', as
> this is often Late Cornish <en>.)
>
> Here's a sample paragraph modified from the KS 16.5 Jane Austen using
> my interpretation of Dan's idea:
>
> "Yth yw gwyryoneth aswonys gans pùbonen, mars eus fortyn brâs gans
> den heb demedhy, yma othem dhodho a wreg. Ny fors pana vohes yw
> godhvedhys adro dha golon a dhen a'n par-na, pan wra ev dos aberth
> yn tireth rag an kynsa prys, y fydh an gwiryoneth-ma màr fast yn
> pennow a'n meynys oll adro, mayth ywa considrys avell pyth
> teythyek a onen bo y gela a'ga myrhes y."
>
> Original version:
>
> "Yth yw gwyryoneth aswonys gans pùbonen, mars eus fortyn brâs gans
> den heb demedhy, yma othem dhodho a wreg. Ny fors pana vohes yw
> godhvedhys adro dha golon a dhen a'n par-na, pan wra ev dos aberth
> yn tireth rag an kynsa preis, y feidh an gwyryoneth-ma màr fast yn
> pennow a'n meynys oll adro, mayth ywa consydrys avell peith
> teythyak a onen bo y gela a'ga myrhas y."
>
> Current state of KS 17 thinking, as I understand it:
>
> "Yth yw gwiryoneth aswonys gans pùbonen, mars eus fortyn brâs gans
> den heb demedhy, yma othem dhodho a wreg. Ny fors pana vohes yw
> godhvedhys adro dha golon a dhen a'n par-na, pan wra ev dos aberth
> yn tireth rag an kynsa prÿs, y fÿdh an gwiryoneth-ma màr fast yn
> pennow a'n meynys oll adro, mayth ywa consydrys avell pÿth
> teythyek a onen bo y gela a'ga myrhas y."
>
> (I note in passing that the diaeresis solution would double the number
> of diacritics in this sample.) I think Dan's proposal looks pretty
> good in practice here. With the caveat, of course, that we MUST have
> diacritics for irregular vowel length and irregular vowel quality.
>
> Oll an gwelha,
> ~~Owen
>
> _______________________________________________
> Spellyans mailing list
> Spellyans at kernowek.net
> http://kernowek.net/mailman/listinfo/spellyans_kernowek.net
> 




More information about the Spellyans mailing list