[Spellyans] reDistribution of <i> and <y>

nicholas williams njawilliams at gmail.com
Thu Jul 24 18:16:09 IST 2008

bis 'until' is attested once (CW)
brick attested as bricke once (CW)
fill unattested
fit unattested
gwin means 'wine', gwin in Chyrgwin
king occurs a few times; kyng is commoner
kill < gyll occurs once
pidn occurs twice; warbidn three times LC
quik occurs twelves times
sight occurs
slink is unattested.

How do you distinguish kist with [I] from Crist with a long vowel?

The use of such spellings is huge shift away from UC/UCR (and even KK,  
tho' KK is incoherent).
I really don't like using <y> as an umbrella graph; writing either bys  
or bes (with diacritic or not) seems preferable.
Overall it seems to me that <i> for stressed short vowels is 1. too  
LC; 2. too problematic for those used to <i> as

If <i> is usually short when stressed, it will be used for unstressed  
syllables as well.
Do we really want to have to write gylli, kelli, askelli and gweli?

I don't like the suggestion, I have to admit.


On 24 Jul 2008, at 17:38, Owen Cook wrote:

> The way I understand it, the proposal was this:
> In stressed syllables: (1) Using <i> for short /I/ wherever it is
> stably found in both Late and Middle Cornish.
> (2) Reserving <y> for the Middle Cornish alternant of the /i: ~ e:/
> words, but also introducing it for short /I ~ E/ words (presumably
> including for example gwyns, gwyls, tydn, yn, yw, kyns, lybm) ...
> thereby lessening the need for the diaeresis (but not removing it
> altogether, since, RMC readers of RLC texts might mistake an <e> word
> for one of their <y> words). And also using <y> word finally.
> In unstressed syllables: (1) Using <i> for short /I/ wherever it is
> stably found in both Late and Middle Cornish.
> (2) Using <y> for the Middle Cornish alternant of the /I ~ E/ words,
> and introducing <e> for Late Cornish alternants. And also using <y>
> word finally for /I/.
> I don't think the proposal is practicable or desirable in unstressed
> syllables, but I think it deserves being considered for stressed
> syllables. Of the stressed monosyllabic words in the KS 16 appendix,
> this proposal would affect:
> bìs
> brick
> fill
> fit
> girr
> grill
> gwidn ~ gwinn
> gwill
> idn ~ inn
> jìn
> kill(?)
> king(?)
> kìst
> lìst
> mill
> prick
> pidn ~ pinn
> pit
> qwick
> qwit
> rich
> slink
> slip
> sqwich
> string(?)
> still
> sight
> whip
> wrinch(?)
> An awful lot of these are English loan words which we are used to
> seeing written with <i> in modern English anyway. What do you think
> from the authenticity perspective, Nicholas?
> Oll an gwelha,
> ~~Owen
> 2008/7/24 nicholas williams <njawilliams at gmail.com> rug scrifa:
>> I haven't really been following this discussion.
>> What exactly is Dan suggesting?
>> Nicholas
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