[Spellyans] Porth

Ken MacKinnon kenmackinnon at enterprise.net
Fri Jul 25 12:36:52 IST 2008


Yes standards of production by Will Coleman are very good.   I shoukd olike 
to see the Spellyans group aim at something for younger learners.

- an Ken ken

(Prof) Ken MacKinnon,
Ivy Cottage, Ferintosh,
The Black Isle, by Dingwall,
Ross-shire  IV7 8HX
Tel: 01349 - 863460
E-mail: kenmackinnon at enterprise.net


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Craig Weatherhill" <weatherhill at freenet.co.uk>
To: "Standard Cornish discussion list" <spellyans at kernowek.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 11:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Spellyans] Porth


> Ken wheg,
>
> No, I haven't as yet seen the Porth productions which, I understand,
> have been put together by Will Coleman - in which case, they are bound
> to be good.  Will performed wonders with his Sense of Place educational
> project but, as usual, he was shamefully treated by the authorities and
> got out of it.  Rather as I did (although I was pushed rather than
> jumped).  As long as he can earn a living, he will achieve.  It's in his
> nature and his heart.  The Cornish language needs something like this,
> though.  It is aimed at young people and it is to the shame of us all
> that the younger generations have been neglected by all language
> groups.  Of course, the lack of opportunity to get Cornish into schools
> (up to now, that is) has not helped but there has been a lack of
> understanding across the board that, if Cornish is to have any future at
> all, then we must target it at the young.  Here, we can't point the
> finger at anyone - we have all been to blame, including the Gorsedd.
>
> I can suggest to Rod that he puts his articles on CD.  His pronunciation
> is very good indeed, and his fluency is equalled by very few.
>
> Craig
>
>
> Ken MacKinnon wrote:
>> Craig, and friends.  I was in the Bord na Gaidhlig office this afternoon 
>> and
>> I noticed that a complimentary copy of Porth: CD and booklets had been
>> recieved.  I have had a bit of a look through it already.  Yet to play 
>> the
>> CD.
>>
>> Has anyone else seen this production.  If so what do youi think of it? 
>> This
>> is using and promoting the SWF.  I seems attractive from the graphics and
>> book production point-of-view.  I would like Michael's view on the
>> typrsetting, fonts etc.
>>
>> 'Porth' seems to be based on somewhere like Mousehole / Porth Enys. 
>> What
>> do folk think about that as an introductory device to the language?
>>
>> I would be very  interested in informed critique of this production.
>>
>> This is has now replaced the series of articles by Rod Lyon as the 
>> Kernewek
>> feature in Cornish World.  I shall miss these - and would very much wish
>> that Rod could do a series of  recordings of them.  My problem as a 
>> distabne
>> learner (seized up if not in abeyance) is confidence in the pronunciation 
>> of
>> the language.  (Spellyans so far does not allay this.)
>>
>> -an Ken ken
>>
>> (Prof) Ken MacKinnon,
>> Ivy Cottage, Ferintosh,
>> The Black Isle, by Dingwall,
>> Ross-shire  IV7 8HX
>> Tel: 01349 - 863460
>> E-mail: kenmackinnon at enterprise.net
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Craig Weatherhill" <weatherhill at freenet.co.uk>
>> To: "Standard Cornish discussion list" <spellyans at kernowek.net>
>> Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 7:12 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Spellyans] More on bys/bes words and diacritical marks
>>
>>
>>
>>> Oh, now this IS interesting, Pat.  Neither Nicholas nor I appear in the
>>> Bardic roll.  Yes, we both resigned our bardship, and the list could say
>>> so.  However, what the Gorsedd appears to be doing is to write our
>>> bardship out of history.  The facts remain that I was installed as a
>>> Bard in 1981 for services to archaeology, and Nicholas rather earlier
>>> than that for services to the language.  Those facts cannot be discarded
>>> simply by omission.
>>>
>>> However, if you then look at the list of Bardic Names, Delynyer
>>> Hendhyscans is there, followed by the words "resigned" and Weatherhill.
>>>
>>> Someone at the Gorsedd is being disingenuous, I feel.
>>>
>>> Craig
>>>
>>> Golvan, too is there, correctly identified (by surname only) as Williams
>>> - but no mention of resignation.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Pat wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://www.gorsethkernow.org.uk/english/archives/newbards/bardic_roll.pdf
>>>>
>>>> http://www.gorsethkernow.org.uk/english/archives/newbards/bardic_names.pdf
>>>>
>>>> This is the link to this years which were announced last week.
>>>> http://www.gorsethkernow.org.uk/english/archives/newbards/bard2008.htm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> My apologies for going off topic Michael, but we have recently put 2
>>>>> new lists of Bards on the Gorseth website which can be searched by
>>>>> surname or Bardic names.
>>>>>
>>>> Give the URLs?
>>>> -- 
>>>> Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com <http://www.evertype.com/>
>>>>
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