[Spellyans] Porth

menystror menystror at kernowek.net
Fri Jul 25 13:56:03 IST 2008


Ken,

Could I ask you (and everyone else) not to quote the entire previous 
message every time you post to this list? Expecially when your 
comment is only a sentence or two.

That's good netiquette for everyone.

Thanks.


At 12:36 +0100 2008-07-25, Ken MacKinnon wrote:
>Yes standards of production by Will Coleman are very good.   I shoukd olike
>to see the Spellyans group aim at something for younger learners.
>
>- an Ken ken
>
>(Prof) Ken MacKinnon,
>Ivy Cottage, Ferintosh,
>The Black Isle, by Dingwall,
>Ross-shire  IV7 8HX
>Tel: 01349 - 863460
>E-mail: kenmackinnon at enterprise.net
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Craig Weatherhill" <weatherhill at freenet.co.uk>
>To: "Standard Cornish discussion list" <spellyans at kernowek.net>
>Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 11:16 PM
>Subject: Re: [Spellyans] Porth
>
>
>>  Ken wheg,
>>
>>  No, I haven't as yet seen the Porth productions which, I understand,
>>  have been put together by Will Coleman - in which case, they are bound
>>  to be good.  Will performed wonders with his Sense of Place educational
>>  project but, as usual, he was shamefully treated by the authorities and
>>  got out of it.  Rather as I did (although I was pushed rather than
>>  jumped).  As long as he can earn a living, he will achieve.  It's in his
>>  nature and his heart.  The Cornish language needs something like this,
>>  though.  It is aimed at young people and it is to the shame of us all
>>  that the younger generations have been neglected by all language
>>  groups.  Of course, the lack of opportunity to get Cornish into schools
>>  (up to now, that is) has not helped but there has been a lack of
>>  understanding across the board that, if Cornish is to have any future at
>>  all, then we must target it at the young.  Here, we can't point the
>>  finger at anyone - we have all been to blame, including the Gorsedd.
>>
>>  I can suggest to Rod that he puts his articles on CD.  His pronunciation
>>  is very good indeed, and his fluency is equalled by very few.
>>
>>  Craig
>>
>>
>>  Ken MacKinnon wrote:
>>>  Craig, and friends.  I was in the Bord na Gaidhlig office this afternoon
>>>  and
>>>  I noticed that a complimentary copy of Porth: CD and booklets had been
>>>  recieved.  I have had a bit of a look through it already.  Yet to play
>>>  the
>>>  CD.
>>>
>>>  Has anyone else seen this production.  If so what do youi think of it?
>>>  This
>>>  is using and promoting the SWF.  I seems attractive from the graphics and
>>>  book production point-of-view.  I would like Michael's view on the
>>>  typrsetting, fonts etc.
>>>
>>>  'Porth' seems to be based on somewhere like Mousehole / Porth Enys.
>>>  What
>>>  do folk think about that as an introductory device to the language?
>>>
>>>  I would be very  interested in informed critique of this production.
>>>
>>>  This is has now replaced the series of articles by Rod Lyon as the
>>>  Kernewek
>>>  feature in Cornish World.  I shall miss these - and would very much wish
>>>  that Rod could do a series of  recordings of them.  My problem as a
>>>  distabne
>>>  learner (seized up if not in abeyance) is confidence in the pronunciation
>>>  of
>>>  the language.  (Spellyans so far does not allay this.)
>>>
>>>  -an Ken ken
>>>
>>>  (Prof) Ken MacKinnon,
>>>  Ivy Cottage, Ferintosh,
>>>  The Black Isle, by Dingwall,
>>>  Ross-shire  IV7 8HX
>>>  Tel: 01349 - 863460
>>>  E-mail: kenmackinnon at enterprise.net
>>>
>>>
>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>  From: "Craig Weatherhill" <weatherhill at freenet.co.uk>
>>>  To: "Standard Cornish discussion list" <spellyans at kernowek.net>
>>>  Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 7:12 AM
>>>  Subject: Re: [Spellyans] More on bys/bes words and diacritical marks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>  Oh, now this IS interesting, Pat.  Neither Nicholas nor I appear in the
>>>>  Bardic roll.  Yes, we both resigned our bardship, and the list could say
>>>>  so.  However, what the Gorsedd appears to be doing is to write our
>>>>  bardship out of history.  The facts remain that I was installed as a
>>>>  Bard in 1981 for services to archaeology, and Nicholas rather earlier
>  >>> than that for services to the language.  Those facts cannot be discarded
>>>>  simply by omission.
>>>>
>>>>  However, if you then look at the list of Bardic Names, Delynyer
>>>>  Hendhyscans is there, followed by the words "resigned" and Weatherhill.
>>>>
>>>>  Someone at the Gorsedd is being disingenuous, I feel.
>>>>
>>>>  Craig
>>>>
>>>>  Golvan, too is there, correctly identified (by surname only) as Williams
>>>>  - but no mention of resignation.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Pat wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  http://www.gorsethkernow.org.uk/english/archives/newbards/bardic_roll.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>http://www.gorsethkernow.org.uk/english/archives/newbards/bardic_names.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>>  This is the link to this years which were announced last week.
>>>>>  http://www.gorsethkernow.org.uk/english/archives/newbards/bard2008.htm
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>  My apologies for going off topic Michael, but we have recently put 2
>>>>>>  new lists of Bards on the Gorseth website which can be searched by
>>>>>>  surname or Bardic names.
>>>>>>
>>>>>  Give the URLs?
>>>>>  --
>>>>>  Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com <http://www.evertype.com/>
>>>>>
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