[Spellyans] valley in Cornish

Eddie Climo eddie_climo at yahoo.co.uk
Tue Jul 29 18:34:14 IST 2008

On 29 Jul 2008, at 13:23, Jon Mills wrote:
> Lhuyd (AB: 169b, 297b) gives the word 'rosh' glossing Latin  
> 'Vallis' and English 'A vally or dale'.  Lhuyd (AB: 32a) gives the  
> word 'rôs' glossing English 'A Mountain-meadow or Moss'.

I notice from the 'Geiriadur Mawr'  Welsh 'rhos' = E. moor, plain, to  
which the Spurrel-Anwyl adds E. heath, champaign.

Dinneen gives Irish 'ros' = E. a wood, copse; a point, promontory,  
bluff, isthmus; a level tract of arable land --

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Concerning my response to Nicholas about the use of C. 'nans', Jon  
> I think that you are being a bit hard on Nicholas . . .
and I apologise if my words caused unintended offence.

For what it's worth, my position about the lexicon of Cornish is  
that, if a word is attested --even just once-- in the historical  
corpus (and is not an evident macaronic intrusion, such as 'hic  
pomabit ...') then it's valid to use it in Revived Cornish.This  
covers everything from lexemes in the OCV, right through to the  
latest of Late Cornish writings.

Inevitabley, this makes RC a diachronic mixture of words that would  
not have existed synchronically, but the written record is too scanty  
and too fragmentary to allow us such an overfine sense of  
discrimination. We cannot afford to discard sections of the  
historical lexicon on such a basis.

Also, we must remember that RC is intended for modern users, not for  

In a similar way, words and idioms that have existed in RC for one or  
two generations have gained a measure of validity, irrespective of  
whether or not they're historically attested. This is easiest to see  
in obvious modern neologisms for, say, new technology, but it  
appllies equally well (in my opinion) to older concepts as well that  
have adapted for modern use.

I would apply this principle fairly liberally to the RC literature of  
UC, UCR and RLC, as they are based more or less closely on  
traditional Cornish. By contrast, the KK corpus should be approached  
with greater caution, since its creators explicitly turn their backs  
on so much of the traditional language, its spelling, phonology,  
grammar, syntax and idiom. Nonetheless, its lexicon contains items of  
value which should be conserved.

That, for me, is 'Tota Cornicitas': all periods, all records, from  
the OCV to the 21st century, from miracle play to comic strip, from  
parchment to podcast! (albeit with some caveats, of course).

I accept that others take a less 'laisser faire' view of this issue,  
but I assert that it's healthy for the Revival that there should be  
the 'dynamic tension' caused by such diversity of opinion. Without  
the conservative, scholastic traditionalists, our language is  
rootless and shallow -- without the innovative, revivalist  
modernisers, it stagnates and dies again.

With both, it can flourish and grow!

Eddie Foirbeis Climo
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Dres ethom akennow byner re bons lyeshes
Accenti non multiplicanda praeter necessitatem

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