[Spellyans] <ay> ~ <ai> in KS = <ay> in SWF
A. J. Trim
ajtrim at msn.com
Mon Jun 30 20:41:49 BST 2008
I have no problem with <ai>.
It's better than using a diacritic <ê> on a non-stressed syllable.
However, some folk will say that the resultant words look too English.
Could <ei> be used instead?
I know that <ei> was destined for words like chi/chei but those would be
better as chy anyway.
What do you want to do with <au>?
Would we get Austria back!?
Andrew J. Trim
From: "Michael Everson" <everson at evertype.com>
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 4:24 PM
To: "Standard Cornish discussion list" <spellyans at kernowek.net>
Subject: Re: [Spellyans] <ay> ~ <ai> in KS = <ay> in SWF
> At 14:33 +0100 2008-06-30, nicholas williams wrote:
>>In KS we sensibly distinguish <ai> [E:] from <ay> [ai].
>>The SWF has decided that only <ay> is to be used. Thus in Dan's dictionary
>>mayn [maIn] + [mE:n]
>>chayn [tSaIn] + [tSE:n]
>>playn [plaIn] + [plE:n] 'carpenter's plane'
>>but plen 'plain' (adj) and 'playing place, plain' as [ple:n].
>>But surely playn 'plane' and plen 'plain' have the same vowel.
>>They are, after all, the same word < Latin planus 'level'.
>>There seems to be confusion here in the SWF which needs to be sorted out.
> The SWF only allows <ay> and <e>. Since <ay> is
> [aI] (as in the particle <may>) There's no way
> these other words can be written <ay>.
> It is [me:n], not [maIn]: therefore <mên> or <main> are the choices.
> It is [tSe:n], not [tSaIn]: therefore <chên> or <chain> are the choices.
> It is [tSe:r], not [tSaIr]: therefore <chêr> or <chair> are the choices.
> It is [ple:n], not [plaIn]: therefore <plên> or <plain> are the choices.
> It is ['alme:n], not ['almaIn]: therefore <Almên> or <Almain> are the
> Since either <ê> or <ai> would be a change from the SWF, I suggest we use
> The same argument holds for <au>, which is neither <ô> nor <aw>.
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