[Spellyans] <y Y> + diacritical

A. J. Trim ajtrim at msn.com
Thu Jun 26 10:18:47 IST 2008


Most of the problems that I have seen regarding diacritical marks have been 
caused during e-mail. Please see my PDF file that I posted yesterday. It 
shows e-mail failure for e and y with the dieresis.


Regards,

Andrew J. Trim



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Everson" <everson at evertype.com>
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Subject: Re: [Spellyans] <y Y> + diacritical

> Quoting Michael Everson <everson at evertype.com>:
>
>> At 21:12 +0300 2008-06-25, Owen Cook wrote:
>> >To argue that y-acute is out of the question
>> >because the minority of Mac users who are
>> >technologically inept will find it awkward,
>> >seems rather a bizarre constraint.
>>
>> That is NOT what I said. I said NOTHING about
>> "technological ineptness". I said that there are
>> TENS OF THOUSANDS OF FONTS OUT THERE that people
>> are using TODAY that don't have this letter, and
>> we will never, ever fix them. That has nothing to
>> do with their ineptness. It is not "awkward". It
>> is a recipe for failure.
>>
>
> ...
>
>> I think I am right to insist that we be fair to
>> Mac users of Cornish no less than Windows users
>> of Cornish.
>
> I am not sure that the situation is as bad as you say, Michael.  I would 
> prefer
> not to use diacritics, but if they are really necessary then the choices 
> should
> be clear and it seems from the discussion that y-acute should be a valid
> contender for consideration.  The situation with y-acute is as follows (I 
> know
> you know all this Michael, so bear with me).
>
> Y/y-acute are in ISO-8859-1 ("latin-1") at 0xdd and 0xfd, and the same in
> Unicode.
>
> They are in Windows CP-1252, ISO Western 2 and ISO-Adobe at the same 
> locations.
>
> These characters are *not* in the codepage Mac Roman. So, it is true that 
> fonts
> which *only* support Mac Roman do not provide y-acute.
>
> But how serious is this?  Are there really "TENS OF THOUSANDS" of fonts 
> which
> support only Mac Roman?  And what is the relative frequency of use of 
> these
> fonts compared to, say, the common web fonts or the common PDF fonts?
>
> On my Mac running Tiger the character palette tells me there are 182 fonts 
> which
> contain y-acute.  Perhaps 24 of them are fonts I have installed myself.
>
> So, any user of a reasonably recent Mac has about 150 system fonts which 
> provide
> y-acute.  In addition, any 3rd party font which supports any of the code 
> pages
> listed above also includes y-acute.
>
> Perhaps the occasional person will occasionally experience the situation 
> that a
> favourite font does not provide y-acute, but my expectation, at least, 
> would be
> that this would be extremely uncommon and should not be a deal-breaker in 
> the
> choice between y-diaresis and y-acute.
>
> Steve
>
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