[Spellyans] Problems with SWF
everson at evertype.com
Thu Jun 26 12:01:00 IST 2008
At 12:53 +0300 2008-06-26, Owen Cook wrote:
>A) <u> for MC /y(:)/, which becomes LC /i(:)/. This is the most common
>value; we can take it as default.
>B) <u> for early MC /y(:)/, which becomes /Iw/ rather early on. We
>find this in stressed open syllables (as in 'du') and before /h/ (as
>in 'uhel', 'a-ugh').
I don't think we have to mark these, as they can
be listed exhaustively. How do you transcribe
'uhel' and 'a-ugh'?
>C) <u> for /u:/ as in frût, gûn. KS has used <û> here, with which I
>D) <u> for /U/ or /7/ or something similar, as in 'pùb'. KS has used
><ù> here; again I heartily concur. (By-the-bye, I think I've seen KS
><ù> in unstressed syllables as well as stressed ones -- is this
Yep; it is quality that is being marked.
>E) <u> in the word 'usya', which may be /ju/ or
>/Iw/ or who knows what. I keep suggesting that
>we press <uw> into service here, but nobody's
>commented so far. Gendall evidentally feels that
>'universita' belongs in this category too. KS
><û> seems quite unsatisfactory to me here.
I hate to disagree with you... but I think it is
easiest to use the standard mark for long [u:]
and simply say that this word (I am not sure
about <ûnyversyta>) has a special pronunciation.
>If <uw> seems too letter-heavy, perhaps a diacritic is necessary?
<uwnyversyta>? <uwsya>? This would lead to
another divergence from the SWF (and from UC,
UCR, and KK) for little yield. Using the
circumflex treads more lightly.
>I have always wondered why nobody has seemed to
>be in a mood to consider an umbrella graph for
Because none suits.
>The situation seems similar to our dydh/dedh
>words -- there's an awful lot of words with s~j
>alternation. <z> wouldn't pass the authenticity
>test, I suspect.
Yes, and I guess this is just going to have to be Something To Learn.
>I've always liked <zh> for this situation; it
>evokes Lhuyd, but would not make anybody else
>happy. However, I'm sure any solution would be
>too radical for our present undertaking.
Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com
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