[Spellyans] <ay> ~ <ai> in KS = <ay> in SWF

nicholas williams njawilliams at gmail.com
Mon Jun 30 21:26:11 IST 2008


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Nicholas
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On 30 Jun 2008, at 20:41, A. J. Trim wrote:

> I have no problem with <ai>.
> It's better than using a diacritic <ê> on a non-stressed syllable.
>
> However, some folk will say that the resultant words look too English.
> Could <ei> be used instead?
> I know that <ei> was destined for words like chi/chei but those  
> would be
> better as chy anyway.
>
> What do you want to do with <au>?
> Would we get Austria back!?
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Andrew J. Trim
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Michael Everson" <everson at evertype.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 4:24 PM
> To: "Standard Cornish discussion list" <spellyans at kernowek.net>
> Subject: Re: [Spellyans] <ay> ~ <ai> in KS = <ay> in SWF
>
>> At 14:33 +0100 2008-06-30, nicholas williams wrote:
>>> In KS we sensibly distinguish <ai> [E:] from <ay> [ai].
>>>
>>> The SWF has decided that only <ay> is to be used. Thus in Dan's  
>>> dictionary
>>> we
>>> find:
>>>
>>> Almayn [almaIn]
>>> mayn [maIn] + [mE:n]
>>> chayn [tSaIn] + [tSE:n]
>>> playn [plaIn] + [plE:n] 'carpenter's plane'
>>> but plen 'plain' (adj) and 'playing place, plain' as [ple:n].
>>>
>>> But surely playn 'plane' and plen 'plain' have the same vowel.
>>> They are, after all, the same word < Latin planus 'level'.
>>>
>>> There seems to be confusion here in the SWF which needs to be  
>>> sorted out.
>>
>> The SWF only allows <ay> and <e>. Since <ay> is
>> [aI] (as in the particle <may>) There's no way
>> these other words can be written <ay>.
>>
>> It is [me:n], not [maIn]: therefore <mên> or <main> are the choices.
>> It is [tSe:n], not [tSaIn]: therefore <chên> or <chain> are the  
>> choices.
>> It is [tSe:r], not [tSaIr]: therefore <chêr> or <chair> are the  
>> choices.
>> It is [ple:n], not [plaIn]: therefore <plên> or <plain> are the  
>> choices.
>> It is ['alme:n], not ['almaIn]: therefore <Almên> or <Almain> are the
>> choices.
>>
>> Since either <ê> or <ai> would be a change from the SWF, I suggest  
>> we use
>> <ai>.
>>
>> The same argument holds for <au>, which is neither <ô> nor <aw>.
>> -- 
>> Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com
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