[Spellyans] y-umlaut in 'Beunans Meriasek' ?

Craig Weatherhill craig at agantavas.org
Fri Nov 21 12:52:49 GMT 2008


You might have something here, Andrew.  In current West Penwith  
speech, it is noticeable that in -es  plurals  (horses, prizes, etc),  
the pronunciation is indeed "eez", so you hear "horseez, prizeez".

Craig


On 21 Du 2008, at 12:44, <ajtrim at msn.com> <ajtrim at msn.com> wrote:

> As so many words ending in -ys are spelt -ijs, -yys, -is, or -yes in  
> the texts, and as doubling the vowel was used to indicate a long  
> vowel, and adding an e could be used for the same, why do we think - 
> ys  was pronounced short, i.e. [Iz]. Surely long but unstressed,  
> i.e. [i:s] or [i:z] is more likely.
>
> I know that this goes against the notion that long vowels only occur  
> in stressed syllables but that is what the evidence is indicating.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Andrew J. Trim
>
>
>
> From: nicholas williams
> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 10:29 AM
> To: Standard Cornish discussion list
> Subject: Re: [Spellyans] y-umlaut in 'Beunans Meriasek' ?
>
> <ij> is common in both BM and PA, in which latter texts one finds,  
> for example,
>
> dyspresijs
> convyctijs
> temptijs.
>
> In such cases <ijs> occurs at the end of the verbal adjective of
> verbs in -ya.
> Elsewhere in PA and in other texts, comparable verbal adjectives are  
> spelt with <yy>:
>
> gwarnyys
> formyys
> playnyys.
>
> There are also examples of the same ending spelt <yes>:
>
> granntyes
> lettyes
> tackyes.
>
> It is also sometimes written <is>:
>
> grontis
> syttis
> dyzgtis
>
> or as <ys>:
>
> grontys
> formys
> dyghtys.
>
> Where <ijs> occurs in rhyme, it rhymes with -ys:
>
>
> kyllys ~ mevijs ~ genys ~ bys PA 4
> sperys ~ convyctijs ~ parys ~ danvenys PA 18
> ordys ~ apposijs BM 521, 525.
>
> Since <ijs> is unstressed and monosyllabic
> in such verbal adjectives, it seems reasonable to assume that <ijs>
> is a written variant only, and is to be pronounced either [I at z] or  
> [Iz].
>
> In KS I write <grontys>, <lettys>, <dyghtys>.
>
> This is not the same desinence as in <goliys> 'wounded', <chastiys>  
> 'chastised', which is disyllabic.
>
> Nicholas
>
>
>
>
> On 21 Nov 2008, at 00:40, <ajtrim at msn.com> <ajtrim at msn.com> wrote:
>
>> I have always assumed (perhaps wrongly) that <ij> was a way of  
>> writing <ii>.
>>
>
>
>
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