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Mon Feb 2 08:37:09 GMT 2009
Lhuyd writes this item with an <s> not a <z>: Kẏssyl [50c],
Pl: kysylgou [242c]
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From: "Hewitt, Stephen"
To: "Standard Cornish discussion list"
Subject: Re: [Spellyans] cùsul
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 09:25:33 +0100
I know "Cornish isn't Breton", but in Breton (etymological and
interdialectal orthographies) <kusul, kusuliañ>, ("unified" orthography)
<kuzul, kuzuliañ> "advise" is pronounced /'kyzyl, ky'zylja/, with an /y/
vowel in both syllables and a voiced /z/, despite the derivation from
Latin "consilium" or French "conseil". Another word in which such voicing
takes place is (Treger dialect, not generally included in dictionaries)
<kousantiñ> /ku'zãnti/ "accept, agree" < Fr. "consentir". Steve Hewitt
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[mailto:spellyans-bounces at kernowek.net]On Behalf Of nicholas williams
Sent: 02 February 2009 09:18
To: Standard Cornish discussion list
Subject: [Spellyans] cùsul
Michael very kindly bought me a copy of George's Gerlyvrik in
Lostwithieland I have been examining it with some interest.
My attention was drawn to the two entrieskusul 'advice' and kusulya
'advise'.In these two etyma, apparently, the first <u> is to be
pronounced [u] and the secondis [y]. There is no way of telling that
the identical graphbears two differing values in both these words.It
would seem that these two items are further examples in KK of a
failure toachieve the "phonemic perfection" claimed for the
orthography.That, however, is a detail.
More importantly, I notice that the pronunciation given for kusul and
kusulyahas a voiced sibilant [z] for the <s> in both kusul and
kusulya. I wonder whether this can really be justified.
The word is derives from Latin consilium and one wouldexpect the
reflex of Latin -ns- in Cornish to be [s] rather than [z].The scribes
of traditional Cornish seemed to believe thatthe segment was
voiceless. Look at the following examples:
ADVICECucell a Nice 'the Council of Nicea' SA 65acussyllyow (plural)
ADVISEcussyllyough PC 1807y cussylyaf RD 569cossyllya CW 670cossyllyas
These spellings seem to suggest that the sound was [s] rather than
Neil's orthography writes <cussel>, cf. Cussel an Tavaz. Which closer
to the pronunciation than KK <kusul>. Dan's dictionary haskusul/cusul
and kusulya/cusulya for the SWF and in both cases he suggests that
the medial<s> is to be pronounced [z]. This pronunciation is
presumably inherited from KK (and UC) and is probably notto be
recommended. KS writes <cùssul> and <cùsulya> and pronounces bothas
they are spelt, i.e. with a voiceless [s].
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