daniel at ryan-prohaska.com
Mon Feb 2 15:15:35 GMT 2009
Nicholas a scrifas:
“Dan's dictionary has kusul/cusul and kusulya/cusulya for the SWF and in
both cases he suggests that the medial <s> is to be pronounced [z]. This
pronunciation is presumably inherited from KK (and UC) and is probably not
to be recommended.”
I should have realised this, especially since I know Revived Late Cornish
always had <cussel>. I will correct this error immediately in the
dictionary. I wonder, if the stressed vowel isn’t /y/, but /U/, how to spell
this in the SWF. The only graph I’d be allowed to use would be <o>, thus
From: nicholas williams
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 9:18 AM
“Michael very kindly bought me a copy of George's Gerlyvrik in Lostwithiel
and I have been examining it with some interest.
My attention was drawn to the two entries kusul 'advice' and kusulya
'advise'. In these two etyma, apparently, the first <u> is to be pronounced
[u] and the second is [y]. There is no way of telling that the identical
graph bears two differing values in both these words. It would seem that
these two items are further examples in KK of a failure to achieve the
"phonemic perfection" claimed for the orthography. That, however, is a
More importantly, I notice that the pronunciation given for kusul and
kusulya has a voiced sibilant [z] for the <s> in both kusul and kusulya. I
wonder whether this can really be justified.
The word is derives from Latin consilium and one would expect the reflex of
Latin -ns- in Cornish to be [s] rather than [z]. The scribes of traditional
Cornish seemed to believe that the segment was voiceless. Look at the
Cucell a Nice 'the Council of Nicea' SA 65a
cussyllyow (plural) CW 627
cussyllyough PC 1807
y cussylyaf RD 569
cossyllya CW 670
cossyllyas CW 771.
These spellings seem to suggest that the sound was [s] rather than [z].
Neil's orthography writes <cussel>, cf. Cussel an Tavaz. Which closer to the
pronunciation than KK <kusul>. Dan's dictionary has kusul/cusul and
kusulya/cusulya for the SWF and in both cases he suggests that the medial
<s> is to be pronounced [z]. This pronunciation is presumably inherited from
KK (and UC) and is probably not to be recommended. KS writes <cùssul> and
<cùsulya> and pronounces both as they are spelt, i.e. with a voiceless [s].
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