[Spellyans] 2nd pl imperative

Ray Chubb ray at spyrys.org
Mon Feb 16 12:15:05 GMT 2009


I have to say that this is the feature of KS which I dislike more than  
any other.

Using owgh forms takes no account of custom and practice in the  
revival over the past 100 years.  For me as a regular and fluent  
speaker pronouncing owgh instead of eugh simply does not impart the  
necessary urgency.


On 16 Whe 2009, at 10:57, nicholas williams wrote:

> Second Person Plural Imperatives.
> Here are some examples from the texts; -ough/owgh forms are at least  
> as common as -eugh/ewgh forms.
> BM usually has -ugh in the imperative and the 2nd plural indicative  
> alike
>
>
> PERTHY
> A das dovt na bertheugh why OM 729
> na bertheugh ovn a henna OM 2508
> pertheugh cof ol an tokyn PC 1081
> hag arta perthugh coff guel BM 1064
> Na berthugh ovn annethy BM 4136
> na berthowgh dowt BK 1679
> a vyth gwrys, na berthowgh dowt BK 3022.
>
> BOS
> na vezough temtijs dygnas PA 53d
> ha bethough war PC 879
> betheugh why fur RD 2276
> bethow ware TH 18
> ha bethough war BK 3261
> cowetha bethowgh parys CW 2009
> ragtha bethowgh avysshes CW 2367
> bethowh ware navo lethys CW 2517
> bethow why looan TBoson.
>
> LEVEREL
> leuerough mar pyth sawys PA 95a
> ha leuerough bos gevys PA 113c
> po cryst leuerough scyle PA 125d
> leferugh x 5 in BM
> Leverough both ages brys BK 392
> leverough expedient! BK 2139
> Leverough scon BK 2226 [I cannot find *levereugh],
>
> GOSLOWES
> gosloweugh ol a tus vas RD 3217
> golsowugh orth iubyter BM 2327
> golsowugh orth iubyter BM 3601
> golsowowh tha ve lemyn CW 115
> peys I say golsowogh a der dro CW 1431.
>
> GASA
> geseugh vy the worthyby PC 2493
> geseugh y the thysplevyas RD 2832
> geseugh y the thysplevyas BM 942
> Gesugh creys vfel ha clovr BM 1312
> arluth gesugh vy the govs BM 3310
> gesowgh ny the gafus TH 3
> Gesowgh oll rancor TH 30
>
> DON
> Na thegough sor yn golon PA 37a
> degeugh an pren a thyhons OM 2810
> degovgh genough pup huny PC 2047
> degeugh e a thesempys RD 2184
> dotho degogh lytherov BM 2796
> degeugh aberth maria BM 4067
> degowgh an toyt mes a’m golok BK 751-52
> henna degowhe destynye CW 127
>
> MERAS
> lemmyn merough pe nyle PA 125c
> myrough in agis colon PA 141d
> myreugh worth an vorvoran PC 2403
> ha merovgh agis leffrov BM 95
> merow lymmyn omma TH 18
> Lo merogh attave genogh TH 36a
> Merowgh inweth war germany TH 49a
> Merough ple ma an Romans BK 2808
> Merough, ple ma an cronak! BK 3256
> merowgh merowgh orth hemma CW 736
> merough pymava towles CW 1139
> merowgh mester pymava  CW 1550
> mero ma res gennam JBoson.
>
>
> KEMERES
> ytho why kemereugh e PC 1977
> ottense kemereugh e PC 2165
> kemereugh corf a'n drok was RD 2159
> kemerogh luen edrega BM 2750
> Kemerogh wyth lymmyn TH 27
> Kemerogh an spurissans TH 36
> Kemerogh why an spurissans TH 38a
> kemerogh example anethy TH 49a
> Kemerogh, debbrogh, henew ow corffe ve TH 52
> Kemerogh ha debrogh, kemerogh hag evogh TH 52a
> Kemerogh, debbr(ogh), hem ew ow corff ve SA 62a
> A henna kemerough cur BK 2105.
>
> OTHER VERBS
> evough why par cheryta PA 45b
> golyough ha pesough ow zas PA 53c
> yn meth crist deugh holyough ve PA 53a
> golyough ha pesough yn ven PA 57b
> koscough lemmyn mar sew prys PA 61b
> powesough wy yv grevijs PA 61b
> deugh geneff ha holyough ve PA 63c
> gothvezough na rellough tros PA 63c
> Olough rag agis fleghys PA 169a
>
> The -ewgh ending for the 2nd imperative may be useful as a spelling;  
> it is hardly warranted by the texts, since imperative -ough is  
> already customary in the Passion Poem.
>
> Nicholas
>
> On 16 Feb 2009, at 09:16, Michael Everson wrote:
>
>> *Are* there texts from BM or before which distinguish the ending of  
>> the 2nd person plural present-future was not consistently  
>> distinguished from the 2nd person plural imperative? Or is this  
>> just a ghost?
>
>

Ray Chubb

Portreth
Kernow




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