[Spellyans] kal revisited

ajtrim at msn.com ajtrim at msn.com
Mon Jan 5 00:27:21 GMT 2009


I would currently write <call> sg., <callow> pl. and <callek> adj.

There may be a case for <kellys> pl.

(Is this really the same word as <kell> sg., <kellow> pl. and <dewgell> dl. for the nearby parts?)


In my opinion, <kall> ~ <call> is best for the SWF.
I would ignore <kalgh>, and I really dislike <kal' >.


The SWF does not, of course, allow diacritical marks.

The best solution for KS may well be <càl> sg. and <calow> pl..


Regards,

Andrew J. Trim




From: Daniel Prohaska 
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 3:51 PM
To: 'Standard Cornish discussion list' 
Subject: Re: [Spellyans] kal revisited


 

I've now spelt <kall, call>, because I think it contains a short vowel. I have mentioned reconstructed *kalgh as a possible older form in the entry, but not recommended it as a main entry. Is this feasible? How about the plural?

Dan

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Craig Weatherhill
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 11:16 PM



 

I forgot to add that the word is cal in place names, e.g. Calvadnack  

(<cal vannek), Colvannick (<cal vannek), Carrallack (< ker gallek),  

Colvenner (2 exx.) (<cal veneth).

 

The first example has: <cal>, 5 times from the available spellings,  

all 14th/15th century.

 

The second has: <cal> 8 times; <kal> twice; <col> once.

 

The third has: <-gallek> once; <-kallek> once, <-allek> once and  

<allack> once.

 

The fourth has, for the Cury site: <cal> once and <kal> once and,

                               for the Wendron site: <cal> once.

 

Not even a hint of a <-gh> ending, so, put with Nicholas's textual  

examples, that makes 28 historic examples of the word with no sign of  

<-gh>, against none that have such an ending.  Ergo, George's spelling  

is a fiction and is not Cornish.  The SWF <kalgh, calgh, kal', cal'>  

are therefore incorrect and should be <kal, cal> only.

 

Craig

 

 

 

On 3 Gen 2009, at 21:33, nicholas williams wrote:

 

> The word kal 'membrum virile' used by John Boson and respelt by  

> George as *kalgh

> is attested elsewhere:

> 

> Mentula.A man's privy member. C. & Ar[morican] Kal AB: 89a

> Penis.C. Lost, kal AB: 116c

> Veretrum.A man's privy member. C. Kal AB: 171c

> KAL, membrum virile Pryce.

> 

> We thus have 5 occurrences all spelt <kal>.

> What possible reason was there for the spelling *<kalgh>?

> 

> Nicholas

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