[Spellyans] Maga Newsletter

David Trethewey dlrt2 at cam.ac.uk
Thu Jan 8 22:25:11 GMT 2009


I could put it up on my website and send the link around if that's easier.

David


Craig Weatherhill wrote:
> Janice,  I tried to send you a copy but the mail service to your 
> address failed.
>
> Craig
>
>
> On 8 Gen 2009, at 19:02, janicelobb at tiscali.co.uk wrote:
>
>> No-one can dispute the relevance of place names. I would love a copy,
>> please.
>> Janice
>>
>>> ----Original Message----
>>> From: craig at agantavas.org
>>> Date: 08/01/2009 9:33
>>> To: "Standard Cornish discussion list"<spellyans at kernowek.net>
>>> Subj: Re: [Spellyans] Maga Newsletter
>>>
>>> Several months ago, Andrew, Maga paid me to produce a discussion
>>> document, with a recommendation list for place-names.  The list that
>> I
>>> produced contained about 3,500 toponyms, from towns and villages,
>> to
>>> topographic features, and archaeological sites.  It has yet to see
>> the
>>> light of day and one wonders why.
>>>
>>> What I endeavoured to do was to balance the linguistic demands with
>>> preserving the historical integrity of each name (not always an
>> easy
>>> task).  As both the Commission and Jenefer herself has said, this
>> was
>>> best achieved by using traditional graphs so I set out to adhere to
>>> SWF/T as closely as I could.  This I almost achieved but felt
>>> compelled to reintroduce the <au> graph, as the SWF alternative
>> simply
>>> did not work with the names.
>>>
>>> There is bound to be opposition from CLB members, because I heavily
>>> criticised their place-name recommendation booklet in "Form and
>>> Content".  However, their recommendations were all about language
>> (in
>>> this case KK), with no regard to the history of the names.  For
>>> example, the CLB simply translated the modern English names of St
>>> Columb Major and Minor into Cornish, producing Sen Kolomm Veur and
>> Sen
>>> Kolomm Vyghan.  Had they done any historical research, they'd have
>>> found the genuine Cornish names for both: Plugolom and Colom
>>> respectively.
>>>
>>> I am happy to send a copy of the document to anyone who'd like to
>> see
>>> it.
>>>
>>> Craig
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7 Gen 2009, at 22:28, <ajtrim at msn.com> <ajtrim at msn.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I don't know the answer.
>>>> I did not think that there were any rules for place names.
>>>> Is anyone discussing place names yet?
>>>>
>>>> By the way, the original MAGA text used straight quotes so the
>>>> leading apostrophes of the Late Cornish variants looked OK.
>>>> If you are typing Late Cornish variant SWF, it's better to turn
>> off
>>>> smart quotes.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Andrew J. Trim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: nicholas williams
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 4:58 PM
>>>> To: Standard Cornish discussion list
>>>> Subject: [Spellyans] Maga Newsletter
>>>>
>>>> The latest newsletter begins in the Late Cornish variant of the
>> SWF.
>>>> Inter alia it says:
>>>>
>>>> Les hwei a dheu dhe guntelles MAGA,
>>>> ha na rugo’ hwei gorra ‘gas hanow
>>>> hwath, me ‘venja drei hedna dhe ‘gas
>>>> kov eneth arta, leverel dhew’ fatel
>>>> vedh synjys yn mis Jenver, an 31vas
>>>> jorna, yn Lostwydhiel.
>>>>
>>>> How are we to know that Lostwydhiel is not stressed Lostwy'dhiel?
>>>> What are the rules?
>>>>
>>>> Nicholas
>>>>
>>>>
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