[Spellyans] gostoyth, gosteyth, gostyth

Daniel Prohaska daniel at ryan-prohaska.com
Fri Mar 6 13:33:41 GMT 2009

Would <teyrgweyth> better be transcribed as [ˈtɛɪrgwɪθ]? In the SWF <ey> is used for eMC (early Middle Cornish /ei/) which I have standardised as [ɛɪ] in my dictionary. [əi] is <ei> in LC variants <kei>, <chei>, <hei> etc.



-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Everson
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 6:08 PM

I do not believe we have unstressed diphthongs. If it is unstressed,  it has to reduce in length. <teyrgweyth> [ˈtɛɪrgwəθ] looks very wrong. Moreover, in KS, <ey>  is [əi] not [ɛɪ]. So this word looks very bad to me.


On 23 Feb 2009, at 14:36, Daniel Prohaska wrote:


> Meur ras dhis, Nicholas,

> I go with <gosteyth> and <gosteythter>. This seems most plausible to  

> me. I have other instances in the dictionary where I give unstressed  

> <ey> as [ə], such as <teyrgweyth> [ˈtɛɪrgwəθ] (SAMPA  

> [“tEIrgw at T])., so this will be the form I will put in the  

> dictionary. Maybe [ə] ought to be [ɪ] in both?

> Dan


> From: nicholas williams

> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 4:08 PM


> I am not sure.


> The word is <gustyth> twice in OM (lines 137 and 295).

> Tregear writes <gustith> at TH 12.

> It looks as though the word is < * wo-eks-têg-to or similar; in  

> which case the second

> syllable would be -ey- in MC when stressed, i.e. gosteythter. On the  

> other hand

> the unstressed -ith/-yth of gustith/gustyth would lead me to allow  

> gostyth as the basic form

> Perhaps the simplest thing would be to write <gosteyth,  

> gosteythter>. But gostyth cannot be considered wrong.


> What do you think, Dan?


> Nicholas


> On 22 Feb 2009, at 12:36, Daniel Prohaska wrote:



> Nicholas, in the Bewnans Kespecific vocabulary section you give the  

> reconstruction *gosteyth and in your dictionary the adjective  

> gostyth and the noun gostythter with derived meanings. Should they  

> begosteyth and gosteythter in the SWF?


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