[Spellyans] Spelling: placemanes

Wed Jan 27 10:50:46 GMT 2010

Ken,

This advice is very kind of you.  Is there an adopted policy for  
Gaelic place-name representation in Scotland?  Nicholas and Michael -  
is there such a policy in Ireland? Does anyone know if one is in place  
for Welsh place-names?  Or Breton ones?

If so, can I get hold of copies?  If there is such precedent, then  
these can only help in formulating one for Cornwall.

Pol and Julyan seem to think that such signage/map representation is  
for Cornish speakers only.  My argument is different - it's for  
everyone (Oliver seems to agree with that).

Craig

On 27 Gen 2010, at 10:23, Ken MacKinnon wrote:

> Craig,
>
> Many thanks for quick reply.   Spelling issues on placename forms  
> are a most imnportant corpus issue.
>
> I hope very much that you feel the strength of group support with  
> you on this.  I am sure that Oliver will have strong and positive  
> views on this informed with a great deal of expertise.  He is after  
> all President of EPNS and can speak with authority.
>
> Our own experience in Scotland in setting up AAA ( Ainmean Aite na  
> h- Alba - Gaelic Placenamnes of Scotland) - and incorporating this  
> in the official Gaelic language planning process is proving most  
> helpful.
> and is beginning to show in the environment.
>
> Unity is strength and I would suggest that some liaison with this  
> body will be helpful as a resource and as an exemplar of experience.
>
> If I can assist in connections shall be glad to do so.
>
> Kemer wyth - an Ken ken
>
>
>
> Ken MacKinnon is now on Broadband  with new e-mail addresses:-
>
> ken at ferintosh.org
> and also at:-
> ken.ferintosh at googlemail.com
>
> My former e-mail addresses are no longer able to be used.
>
> (Prof) Ken MacKinnon
> Ivy Cottage, Ferintosh,
> The Black Isle, by Dingwall,
> Ross-shire  IV 7 8HX
> Scotland  UK
>
> Tel: 01349 - 863460
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Weatherhill" <craig at agantavas.org 
> >
> To: "Standard Cornish discussion list" <spellyans at kernowek.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 5:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [Spellyans] BBC Broadcast
>
>
>> Yes, Ken, both Oliver and I are included.  Our first meeting was last
>> Friday.  That established little more than a basic working practice
>> policy and the fact that I will have my work heavily cut out to  
>> banish
>> non-traditional graphs from historic place-names.  I will need to  
>> have
>> steel heels fitted for the amount of digging in I'll have to do
>> against Pol and Julyan..
>>
>> Craig
>>
>>
>> On 26 Gen 2010, at 16:01, Ken MacKinnon wrote:
>>
>>> Craig and friends.
>>>
>>> I watched the Inside Out programme courtesy of Sky.   My own
>>> thoughts were that it did not get us very much further forward.   I
>>> contributed over an hour of recorded speech - but little more than a
>>> couple of snippets were used ( in my view on somewhat perpheral
>>> issues).
>>>
>>> The programme contained a lot of stereoptyping, and I thought that
>>> Mick Catmull would have gotten a bit beyond this onto more salient
>>> issues.
>>>
>>> I understand that CLP have set up a placenames working group.   I
>>> very much trust that people like yourself, Craig , and Oliver Padel
>>> have been included.
>>>
>>> Jenefer and Nev Meek are due to attend a British & Irish seminar on
>>> language legislation next week in Edinburgh - and I hope to have the
>>> opportunity of a session with them on current issues.
>>>
>>> - oll an gwella - an Ken ken
>>>
>>> Ken MacKinnon is now on Broadband  with new e-mail addresses:-
>>>
>>> ken at ferintosh.org
>>> and also at:-
>>> ken.ferintosh at googlemail.com
>>>
>>> My former e-mail addresses are no longer able to be used.
>>>
>>> (Prof) Ken MacKinnon
>>> Ivy Cottage, Ferintosh,
>>> The Black Isle, by Dingwall,
>>> Ross-shire  IV 7 8HX
>>> Scotland  UK
>>>
>>> Tel: 01349 - 863460
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Weatherhill" <craig at agantavas.org
>>> >
>>> To: "Standard Cornish discussion list" <spellyans at kernowek.net>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 3:35 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Spellyans] BBC Broadcast
>>>
>>>
>>>> Yes, I did see this.  Some presenter/interviewer from way out of
>>>> Cornwall, perpetuating the Dolly Pentreath list and with the usual
>>>> sneery attitude we've come to expect from the BBC.  'Do you speak
>>>> Cornish?' he asked the barmaid.  'No," she replied.  'Thank God for
>>>> that,' he said.
>>>>
>>>> Still, Mick, Ray and Denise held their own.  Rather well, I  
>>>> thought.
>>>>
>>>> I've missed the Radio Cornwall programme today on which some  
>>>> academic
>>>> from the University of Durham is being allowed to opine that the
>>>> Cornish, as a people, don't exist.  (If this was done against a  
>>>> black
>>>> or Asian group, there would be all hell to pay and probably
>>>> prosecutions as well).  Ok, so I don't exist, therefore this  
>>>> message
>>>> has never been sent.
>>>>
>>>> Craig
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 26 Gen 2010, at 14:42, j.mills at email.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> For those who missed the BBC broadcast concerning the Cornish
>>>>> language (Monday 25 January), it can be found on BBC iPLayer at
>>>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00qg3bb/Inside_Out_South_West_25_01_2010/
>>>>> .
>>>>> Fast forward to about 9 mins 50 secs into the programme for the  
>>>>> part
>>>>> concerning the Cornish language.
>>>>> Ol an gwella
>>>>> Jon
>>>>> _____________________________________
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