[Spellyans] Place names
Craig Weatherhill
craig at agantavas.org
Thu Jan 28 17:34:15 GMT 2010
I meant to do this yesterday but - the best-laid plans of mice and
Craigs . . .
These are the bullet-point summaries of my suggested policy for modern
representation of historic place-names (which I define as those which
were in place at the beginning of the Cornish revival in 1904):
* Prime consideration should be given to protecting the historical
integrity of each name, be it of Cornish or non-Cornish origin (and
that each be properly and fully researched).
* Where current names show Old Cornish characteristics (i.e. non-
assibilated consonants), these should be retained unless historic
forms show that an evolutionary change did, in fact, occur.
* Late Cornish features, such as pre-occlusion and the substitution of
<j> for <s>, should be included, but only where found.
* Mutation should not introduced where it did not occur in current and
historic forms of a name, but should be retained where it occurs, even
where, in theory, it should not have done so.
* Old Cornish Ti- (Ty-) should be retained where it has persisted to
the present day, and not converted to the later form Chi- (Chy-). (Ti/
Ty names seem to be exclusive to major manorial centres, and the Old
form may have been retained as a symbol of prestige).
* Names of Celtic and Biblical saints should not be preceded in
toponyms by Sen, Sent, in accordance with historical practice.
* Place-names of non-Cornish origin often fail to translate directly
or satisfactorily into Cornish and, with the exception of major and
long-established modern coinages such as Aberfal, should not undergo
translation in order to protect their own individual histories.
Exceptions can be made where a name of non-Cornish origin has an
historically attested Cornish alternative.
* Division of elements within reconstructed toponyms is a matter for
debate and further discussion may be considered appropriate.
* Where the derivation of a toponym is unknown or uncertain, an
historically attested spelling should be carefully selected.
Craig
On 28 Gen 2010, at 16:09, Craig Weatherhill wrote:
> Silly woman argued against bilingual signage, saying it would
> confuse her 'constituents*'. Hardly - her Ward is in the old
> Kerrier area (Troon and Beacon) where bilingual street name signage
> has been in place for several years!
>
> *Note that some of these councillors now have 'constituencies' as
> though they're MPs. Sheer pretentiousness. They are still Wards.
>
> Craig
>
>
> On 28 Gen 2010, at 15:44, Ken MacKinnon wrote:
>
>> Tom,
>>
>> I have a word for this 'cultural false consciousness'. A good
>> example of this was Councillr Morwenna Williams on Inside Out last
>> Monday. She thought that the use of Cornish language made the
>> Cornish people look ridiculous. She might have set a good example
>> herself by changing her name.
>>
>> - an Ken ken
>>
>> Ken MacKinnon is now on Broadband with new e-mail addresses:-
>>
>> ken at ferintosh.org
>> and also at:-
>> ken.ferintosh at googlemail.com
>>
>> My former e-mail addresses are no longer able to be used.
>>
>> (Prof) Ken MacKinnon
>> Ivy Cottage, Ferintosh,
>> The Black Isle, by Dingwall,
>> Ross-shire IV 7 8HX
>> Scotland UK
>>
>> Tel: 01349 - 863460
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Tom Trethewey
>> To: Standard Cornish discussion list
>> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 2:07 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Spellyans] Place names
>>
>> There is a very good "reason for it". The Cornish form (I favour
>> Eglosveryan) indicates the pronunciation, while the Anglicized St
>> Buryan is ambiguous in this respect.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> --- On Thu, 28/1/10, John Nash <mim.oldwellstudio at btinternet.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> From: John Nash <mim.oldwellstudio at btinternet.com>
>> Subject: [Spellyans] Place names
>> To: "Standard Cornish discussion list" <spellyans at kernowek.net>
>> Date: Thursday, 28 January, 2010, 10:12
>>
>> How much support are people finding for Cornish to be used in
>> public signage? I recently mailed St Buryan Parish council to ask
>> why our very nice brand new village sign didn't include somehwere
>> the name in Cornish, as this wouldn't have added to the cost. The
>> answer was simply that "they saw no reason for it" and that "of the
>> eleven councillors, ten were St Buryan born and bred".
>> Oll an gwella
>> John Nash
>> Lamorna (Sadly, not born and bred in St Buryan)
>>
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