[Spellyans] Place names

[Craig Weatherhill]

No - the 'eglos', although derived from Latin, shows a Cornish  
source.  All the (Eng/Lat) attestations are 'Sancta/Saint/St).

Craig


On 29 Gen 2010, at 13:03, j.mills at email.com wrote:

> Craig,
> Are the attestations for "Eglosberyan", etc. not also from "English  
> or Latin records"?
> Jon
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> Dr. Jon Mills,
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Craig Weatherhill <craig at agantavas.org>
> To: Standard Cornish discussion list <spellyans at kernowek.net>
> Sent: Fri, Jan 29, 2010 11:53 am
> Subject: Re: [Spellyans] Place names
>
> Jon,
>
> My list has: Seyntdeye 1351; Seynt Dey 1358, 1380, 1401, 1511: Saint  
> Deie 1393; Sendey 1398; Seyndey 1399, 1420; Seint Dei 1435; Sent Dey  
> c.1510; St Degye c.1510; St Daye 1584; St Dye c.1700; St Day 1794.  
> The problem here is that these are all English or Latin records.
>
> The saint is pretty obscure but is though to be the St Dei who is  
> venerated in Brittany. Oliver Padel says: "He is widely honoured in  
> Brittany, but nothing is known of him. There is not even any record  
> of St Day being venerated at this place, apart from the place name.  
> The chapel here, a frequent object of pilgrimage in the Middle Ages,  
> was dedicated instead to the Holy Trinity and so mentioned in 1269.  
> The traditional pronunciation, 'St Dye', was still known in 1949."  
> This last sentence supports the spelling 'Dei/Dey'.
>
> Craig
>
> On 29 Gen 2010, at 09:09, j.mills at email.com wrote:
>
> > Craig,
> > What do you have on the place name "St Day"?
> > Jon
> >
> > _____________________________________
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> > School of European Culture and Languages,
> > University of Kent
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Craig Weatherhill <craig at agantavas.org>
> > To: Standard Cornish discussion list <spellyans at kernowek.net>
> > Sent: Thu, Jan 28, 2010 4:05 pm
> > Subject: Re: [Spellyans] Place names
> >
> > Tom - lenition to proper nouns does not occur after 'eglos' and >  
> mustn't be introduced - you'll find Eglostetha, Eglosmadern, >  
> Eglosberyan (never Eglosdetha or Eglosvadern - a very late >  
> Eglosveryan does exist but is most likely a hypercorrection). Why >  
> this is, we don't know for certain: it might a rule pertaining to >  
> proper nouns or it could be that devoicing is caused by the final S  
> > of eglos. Lan, on the other hand, nearly always causes lenition to  
> > the following proper noun.
> >
> > Craig
> >
> > On 28 Gen 2010, at 14:07, Tom Trethewey wrote:
> >
> > > There is a very good "reason for it". The Cornish form (I favour  
> > > Eglosveryan) indicates the pronunciation, while the Anglicized  
> St > > Buryan is ambiguous in this respect.
> > >
> > > Tom
> > >
> > > --- On Thu, 28/1/10, John Nash  
> <mim.oldwellstudio at btinternet.com> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > From: John Nash <mim.oldwellstudio at btinternet.com>
> > > Subject: [Spellyans] Place names
> > > To: "Standard Cornish discussion list" <spellyans at kernowek.net>
> > > Date: Thursday, 28 January, 2010, 10:12
> > >
> > > How much support are people finding for Cornish to be used in >  
> public > signage? I recently mailed St Buryan Parish council to ask  
> > why our > very nice brand new village sign didn't include  
> somehwere > the name > in Cornish, as this wouldn't have added to  
> the cost. The > answer was > simply that "they saw no reason for it"  
> and that "of > the eleven > councillors, ten were St Buryan born and  
> bred".
> > > Oll an gwella
> > > John Nash
> > > Lamorna (Sadly, not born and bred in St Buryan)
> > >
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