[Spellyans] Blejyow or Flowrys?

Craig Weatherhill craig at agantavas.org
Wed Jun 2 08:32:28 IST 2010


Apologies for remaining off-topic but do look at the website www.morrablibrary.co.uk

Craig



On 2 Efn 2010, at 08:24, Craig Weatherhill wrote:

> Bridgers was a well-known bookshop in Penzance and the last Mr  
> Bridger had the bookshop in Chapel Street (now the Penzance  
> Bookshop, now run by Tim Wallace).  So, I'm afraid that Bridgers no  
> longer exists as a Penzance institution.
>
> Penzance has the Public Library in Morrab Road and also the Penzance  
> Subscription Library in Morrab House, Morrab Gardens.  The latter is  
> a treasure house (its recent President was John Cornwell, better  
> known as John le Carre, who lives on the cliffs west of Lamorna Cove).
>
> Craig
>
>
> On 2 Efn 2010, at 08:07, Ken MacKinnon wrote:
>
>> Many thanks for your response, Ewan.
>>
>> There is an issue of 'on topic' with this discussion group.    
>> Strictly speaking I understand it to be confinedfairly strictly to  
>> matters relating to spelling issues - especially around KS and the  
>> SWF.
>>
>> We may be directed to conduct this correspondence separately from  
>> the list. In that case, it would be as well to have your personal  
>> email address.  Mine is below.
>>
>> I  looked for Bridger's Library recently - it is a bookshop.   Like  
>> many such it seems to have succumbed.
>>
>> There are about a dozen or so worship services held in Cornwall  
>> between, Anglican, Methodist and Catholic churches.  The Methodists  
>> may be in the majority.  There are a number of local preachers who  
>> are Cornish speakers and who conduct them.  ( I am probably unique  
>> in Scotland as a Methodist local preacher who has actually  
>> conducted services in Gaelic.)
>>
>> Best wishes for your continued Cornish studies. - Ken
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Ken MacKinnon is now on Broadband  with new e-mail addresses:-
>>
>> ken at ferintosh.org
>> and also at:-
>> ken.ferintosh at googlemail.com
>>
>> My former e-mail addresses are no longer able to be used.
>>
>> (Prof) Ken MacKinnon
>> Ivy Cottage, Ferintosh,
>> The Black Isle, by Dingwall,
>> Ross-shire  IV 7 8HX
>> Scotland  UK
>>
>> Tel: 01349 - 863460
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "ewan wilson" <butlerdunnit at ntlworld.com 
>> >
>> To: "Standard Cornish discussion list" <spellyans at kernowek.net>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 10:19 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Spellyans] Blejyow or Flowrys?
>>
>>
>>> Dear Ken,
>>>
>>> ...'fystynna yn lent.' ....or in my case, 'hast moy, spedya le',  
>>> if you'll forgive the probably contorted Cornish!
>>>
>>> I think when one is learning a language largely on one's own the  
>>> temptation is to try to run before one can even toddle and let  
>>> enthusiasm outmatch proper attention to detail. And with Cornish  
>>> having three to four versions, not counting the SWF/KS addition it  
>>> gets even more complicated! However the main thing I think is to  
>>> master the main outline of the syntax and a good basic vocabulary.
>>> Personally I find the best way to get to grips is to read a little  
>>> each day, keep going over the grammar points and begin a daily,  
>>> very modest diary entry to build some confident recall.
>>> Happily I'm beginning to get a feel for the mutations as well-  
>>> they're definitely a shade more challenging than Scots Gaelic's  
>>> blessedly single mutation and its splendid orthography system that  
>>> cleverly enables one to know the unmutated root sound.
>>>
>>> I'm very fond of my Cornish Simplified and Cornish For Beginners.  
>>> I got both years ago in James Thin in Edinburgh in anticipation of  
>>> doing the Hons Cornish paper but sadly by the time I got to that  
>>> stage Donald Howells had retired to Stornoway, I believe.He was a  
>>> very nice Welshman and wore his learning in unassuming manner.  
>>> Bridger's Library- is that the Library at the top of Morrab Road?
>>> One thing about Cornish- it obviously has a very rich theological  
>>> vocabulary, whether one includes the 'borrowings' or not. It is  
>>> great to think the whole New Testament is now available in the UCR  
>>> and KK. I'd love to see it in Late as well.
>>> I assume from what has been mentioned that The Gorsedd held fast  
>>> to Unified until the recent intoduction of the SWF and never  
>>> adopted KK which rather surprised me, given support for KK from  
>>> the Kesva.
>>>
>>> On a more narrowly focused Spellyans topic, may I point out that  
>>> the 'wh' combination presents absolutely no problem to any  
>>> Scotsman as we pronounce it just as it should be in Cornish- a  
>>> voicless aspirate ( not the proper technical term which for the  
>>> moment escapes me!)  What do others make of reversing the order of  
>>> the letters to 'hw'? Phonetically does that not imply a different  
>>> sound of 'h' followed by 'w'? I can see why it might seem more  
>>> helpful to those lacking the aspirate 'wh' in English, but surely  
>>> it is not THAT difficult a sound to learn to articulate?
>>>
>>> On the Prayer Book publications, etc I shall certainy seek them  
>>> out. Are there ever any Cornish services held in non conformist  
>>> chapels or churches? I have no problem with Low Anglican services  
>>> but in Cornwall I think most are very Anglo-Catholic which I  
>>> couldn't really be doing with. Sadly, I believe St Paul's in  
>>> Penzance is now closed. We used to worship there and in the  
>>> beautifully maintained, very traditional Baptist Church down the  
>>> road where Rev Hywel Roberts was minister.
>>>
>>> Anyway, must stop here.
>>>
>>> Ewan.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken MacKinnon" <ken at ferintosh.org 
>>> >
>>> To: "Standard Cornish discussion list" <spellyans at kernowek.net>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 6:00 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Spellyans] Blejyow or Flowrys?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Ewan,
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks for your reply.   I did not know Simpson but am very  
>>>> long acquainted with Donald Meek who was at Edinburgh before  
>>>> becoming Prof at Aberdeen - and then returned to Edinburgh as  
>>>> research professor.  We were close colleagues when I had an  
>>>> honorary fellowship in Celtic at Edinburgh - and we were also  
>>>> members ( he as chair) of MAGOG, and were both nvolved in  
>>>> drafting ithe Meek Report.
>>>>
>>>> Lampeter has taught Cornish.  In fact some years ago I was part  
>>>> of a HEFCW team which inspected Celtic Studies there - and  
>>>> amongst other things I sat in on an actual Cornish class.
>>>>
>>>> I have over recent years been working my way up the Cornish exams  
>>>> of the Language Board ( Kesva).   I have done these in Unified  
>>>> principally because that was the version I had most familiarity  
>>>> with.  I pourchased Caradar's Cornush Simplified ( first edition)  
>>>> in 1949 ( at Bridger's Library in Penzance).  My studies of  
>>>> Cornish have been very much a case of fystynna yn lent! - Ken
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ken MacKinnon is now on Broadband  with new e-mail addresses:-
>>>>
>>>> ken at ferintosh.org
>>>> and also at:-
>>>> ken.ferintosh at googlemail.com
>>>>
>>>> My former e-mail addresses are no longer able to be used.
>>>>
>>>> (Prof) Ken MacKinnon
>>>> Ivy Cottage, Ferintosh,
>>>> The Black Isle, by Dingwall,
>>>> Ross-shire  IV 7 8HX
>>>> Scotland  UK
>>>>
>>>> Tel: 01349 - 863460
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "ewan wilson" <butlerdunnit at ntlworld.com 
>>>> >
>>>> To: "Standard Cornish discussion list" <spellyans at kernowek.net>
>>>> Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 11:49 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Spellyans] Blejyow or Flowrys?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Good Evening, Ken!
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for filling me in on your teaching background.
>>>>> Did you ever know J M Y Simpson who used to run our late,  
>>>>> lamented Linguistics Dept in Glasgow Uni? I think he ended up in  
>>>>> Aberdeen for a time. He had a great interest in Gaelic and was  
>>>>> an SNP man, like Prof Derek Thomson.( the demise of Gairm was  
>>>>> such a pity).
>>>>> I admit whilst I enjoyed the basic phonetics, the rarefied  
>>>>> theories of phonemics, transformation-generative grammar and  
>>>>> stratificational linguistics more bamboozled than enlightened  
>>>>> me! I still wonder if anyone has actually ever fully analysed a  
>>>>> language in Stratificational method.
>>>>> Donald Meek was also in Glasgow before he took over the Aberdeen  
>>>>> department.
>>>>> Which version of the Revived do you tend to favour?
>>>>>
>>>>> Ewan.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken MacKinnon" <ken at ferintosh.org 
>>>>> >
>>>>> To: "Standard Cornish discussion list" <spellyans at kernowek.net>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 10:48 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Spellyans] Blejyow or Flowrys?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> A gowetha ker,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For the record there is a 'Book of Common Prayer' in Cornish.   
>>>>>> I have a copy which carres the imprimatur of the Diocese of  
>>>>>> Truro and the Bishop of Truro. Dated 1980.  A contact address  
>>>>>> is given:-
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Secretary, Bishop's Advisory Council for Services in Cornish,
>>>>>> c / o The Diocesan Office, Convent of the Epiphany, Mitchell  
>>>>>> Hill, Truro.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Give them a try - Ken
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ken MacKinnon is now on Broadband  with new e-mail addresses:-
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ken at ferintosh.org
>>>>>> and also at:-
>>>>>> ken.ferintosh at googlemail.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My former e-mail addresses are no longer able to be used.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (Prof) Ken MacKinnon
>>>>>> Ivy Cottage, Ferintosh,
>>>>>> The Black Isle, by Dingwall,
>>>>>> Ross-shire  IV 7 8HX
>>>>>> Scotland  UK
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tel: 01349 - 863460
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Everson" <everson at evertype.com 
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> To: "Standard Cornish discussion list" <spellyans at kernowek.net>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 8:40 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Spellyans] Blejyow or Flowrys?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 30 May 2010, at 23:10, ewan wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You mention your work on lexical stuff and I wonder if that  
>>>>>>>> means you are intending eventually to produce a new dictionary.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've been working on text concordances to verify spellings for  
>>>>>>> consistency.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I ask mainly because I'm thinking of investing in Nicholas'  
>>>>>>>> most recent (UCR) dictionary to help me with his New  
>>>>>>>> Testament which I'm also hoping to acquire. If the latter's  
>>>>>>>> going to end up in SWF or KS then perhaps I should hold off.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Both are very valuable books and you can order them from  
>>>>>>> Spyrys a Gernow.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My own ultimate aim is to attempt a translation of the  
>>>>>>>> Westminster Confession of Faith and Shorter Catechism into  
>>>>>>>> Cornish. I've made a start to the Catechism but it's halting  
>>>>>>>> work!! Is the Book of Common Prayer available in Cornish?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, but Andy Phillips' prayerbook is available.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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