[Spellyans] An SWF glossary & Unified versus SWF

Ray Chubb ray at spyrys.org
Wed Jun 9 09:11:31 IST 2010


Nice one Jan!


On 9 Efn 2010, at 09:07, janicelobb at tiscali.co.uk wrote:

> Eddie wheg
>
> Slightly ironic that you should choose to illustrate your advice  
> about not leaving the old way for a new way with a quotation in UC  
> from (as you call it) Jowan Chy an Horth. Surely the original  
> authentic manuscripts for this story (Boson ca. 1660 and Lhuyd ca.  
> 1700) are both in Modern/Late Cornish - an very useful we find them.  
> Who "translated" them into Unified? Or was there an earlier version  
> in Middle Cornish that I don't know about?
>
> Oll an gwella
> Jan
>
> ----Original Message----
> From: eddie_climo at yahoo.co.uk
> Date: 08/06/2010 17:52
> To: "Standard Cornish discussion list"<spellyans at kernowek.net>
> Subj: Re: [Spellyans] An SWF glossary & Unified versus SWF
>
>
> On 8 Efn 2010, at 16:29, Ray Chubb wrote:
>
>> Unified should not be looked at from a totally linguistic point of  
>> view.
>
> Agreed, but UC can stand up to such scrutiny. The group of people  
> who collaborated on designing UC were fine linguists who crafted  
> well. Moreover, their hearts were in the right place: not for them  
> the factional back-stabbing we've seen far too much of over the last  
> quarter century.
>
>> Nance's original aim of using an orthography based on historical  
>> Cornish at its zenith, simply standardising out some  
>> irregularities, is still a valid one and will remain an attractive  
>> one to future generations who have put some thought into which form  
>> of Cornish they are going to learn.
>
> Indeed. Unlike some forms of Revived Cornish, UC has stood the test  
> of time, and given Kernewegoryon over 80 years of valuable service.  
> It is, in my opinion, the classic form of revived Middle Cornish,  
> and is as valid now as it was when launched all those years ago. Its  
> designers have earned an honoured place in the history of our  
> language, unlike some of today's wannabes.
>
> Moreover, it has a massive literature that has built up over that  
> period, and the reality is that —despite the efforts of modern  
> bowdlerisers and plagiarists in the KKesva, and elsewhere— most of  
> it will never be republished in any other orthography. Anyone who  
> aspires to 'Tota Cornicitas' cannot simply wish that corpus away.
>
> In the face of this large corpus of UC, Kernewegoryon now and in the  
> years to come will be obliged (at the very least) to read UC, even  
> if they choose not to write it.
>
> Perhaps the same might be said by future generations (post 2013)  
> about the substantial (and growing corpus) of KS literature that is  
> currently being created.
>
>> Therefore Christian's opinion that Unified will only last until the  
>> current users die out could well be mistaken.
>
> I very much suspect it is mistaken. I, for one, love UC and will  
> continue to study and write in it.
>
> Gwren ny perthy cof a un poynt a skyans a glewas Jowan Chy an Horth  
> y'n whethel mur y vry:
>
>> "Kemer wyth na wreta gasa an forth coth rak an forth noweth."
>
>
> Eddie Foirbeis Climo
> - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- -
> Dres ethom akennow byner re bo lyeshes
> Accenti non multiplicandi praeter necessitatem
>
>
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Ray Chubb

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